[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Bassdogs

Doesn't Nascar have a minimum weight rule? Is this just for the car or is it the fully loaded car with driver?

Following response based on known with experience in other levels/classes of competition, and memory (the area with greatest possibility of error) that says NASCAR is same.

There are both a minimum "car only/minus driver" weight, and a minimum "car and driver" weight specified.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Following response based on known with experience in other levels/classes of competition, and memory (the area with greatest possibility of error) that says NASCAR is same.

There are both a minimum "car only/minus driver" weight, and a minimum "car and driver" weight specified.

That's my thinking also .. will check w/my son since he was on a Busch team 8-9 years ago to make sure. (Right now he's "on vacation" for the weekend, so I won't be able to get anything out of him 'till Monday...)

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by Bassdogs

Doesn't Nascar have a minimum weight rule? Is this just for the car or is it the fully loaded car with driver?

I think its 3400 pounds without the driver.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by BiscuitMan

I think its 3400 pounds without the driver.

There's a note on Jayski citing an article from Scene Daily that said for last year's COT Talladega race and for all future races the weight was raised to 3450. However, I wasn't able to access the Scene Daily article to verify EXACTLY what it said.

There's also question in Jayski's FAQ (#39) that asks: Do heavier drivers have a disadvantage over the drivers that don’t weigh as much? The answer also sheds some light on the NASCAR weight rule:

Each car must weigh a minimum of 3,400 pounds ready to race, which includes the weight of the gas, oil, water, etc. Weights are added to cars whose driver weighs less than 200 pounds. Based on a starting driver weighing 200 pounds, drivers add weights in 10-pound increments up to a maximum of 50 pounds. For example, a driver weighing 185 pounds, adds 20 pounds of weigh to the car, and a driver weighing just 145 pounds adds the maximum 50 pounds(7-19-2000)

[PenelopePitStop]

Ok ... I don't get it ...

On Saturday, there were several restarts with cars on the "tail end of the lead lap" that were in front of the leaders. I thought that if you were on the tail end, you would come around the track and line up behind the leaders. Did these drivers not make a pit stop?

I'm confused.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Ok ... I don't get it ...

On Saturday, there were several restarts with cars on the "tail end of the lead lap" that were in front of the leaders. I thought that if you were on the tail end, you would come around the track and line up behind the leaders. Did these drivers not make a pit stop?

I'm confused.

As you guessed/questioned, the "tail end" drivers did not pit and the leaders, who did, must wait till all cars on track pass end of pit road before re-entering.

What we're struggling with at the moment is what happens to the 'ol Lucky Dog in this instance?!? Guess that driver does get to go all the way around to the end of the longest line. If we are seeing this correct here (never any guarantee of that), Lucky Dog seems REAL Lucky. I gotta be wrong here and must be missing something.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

As you guessed/questioned, the "tail end" drivers did not pit and the leaders, who did, must wait till all cars on track pass end of pit road before re-entering.

What we're struggling with at the moment is what happens to the 'ol Lucky Dog in this instance?!? Guess that driver does get to go all the way around to the end of the longest line. If we are seeing this correct here (never any guarantee of that), Lucky Dog seems REAL Lucky. I gotta be wrong here and must be missing something.

wing, yer making it way too complicated .. it's really simple.

any cars behind the pace car and in front of the leader which are not a lap down cannot be passed by a Lucky Dog. otherwise the Lucky Dog is being given race positions which no one would stand for. in other words, the Lucky Dog can only pass the leader, but not the cars in front of the leader.

the "end of the longest line" does not come into play in this situation.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

As you guessed/questioned, the "tail end" drivers did not pit and the leaders, who did, must wait till all cars on track pass end of pit road before re-entering.

Makes sense ... thanks.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wing, yer making it way too complicated .. it's really simple.

any cars behind the pace car and in front of the leader which are not a lap down cannot be passed by a Lucky Dog. otherwise the Lucky Dog is being given race positions which no one would stand for. in other words, the Lucky Dog can only pass the leader, but not the cars in front of the leader.

the "end of the longest line" does not come into play in this situation.

So the Lucky Dog in this case lines up, after circling the track, immediately in front of the leader? That would make sense it would seem.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wing, yer making it way too complicated .. it's really simple.

any cars behind the pace car and in front of the leader which are not a lap down cannot be passed by a Lucky Dog. otherwise the Lucky Dog is being given race positions which no one would stand for. in other words, the Lucky Dog can only pass the leader, but not the cars in front of the leader.

the "end of the longest line" does not come into play in this situation.

Based on what I'm reading above it would seem the "Lucky Dog" is the last car on the lead lap. But, since in the case of cars which didn't pit and have to start in front of the leader, the Lucky Dog has passed them too?

I'm not the most uninformed race fan out here and I consider myself of average intelligence. The way NA__AR handles restarts and who is where has always baffled me and I'm sure that if I'm confused there are good folks out there who are completely lost.

My contention is that any rule causing this much confusion is in serious need of changing.

How about this... double file restarts and any car(s) a lap down start in order and in back of the lead lap cars. Leader get the choice of inside of outside starting position. Could it get any simpler and easier to understand?

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wing, yer making it way too complicated .. it's really simple.

any cars behind the pace car and in front of the leader which are not a lap down cannot be passed by a Lucky Dog. otherwise the Lucky Dog is being given race positions which no one would stand for. in other words, the Lucky Dog can only pass the leader, but not the cars in front of the leader.

the "end of the longest line" does not come into play in this situation.

I got confused with the incident at Phoenix last Saturday. The track is short and the cars a lap down came around before the leaders could get out of the pits. I'm not sure if there was a lucky dog in that instant or not. However, the cars who that did not pit, that were one lap down and in front of the leaders, were in a very bad position. Cars that were one lap down lined up on the left, with some in front of the one lap down cars that were in front of the leaders. As soon as the green came out, the leaders passed the one lap down cars putting them 2 laps down.

Is that what everyone else saw too? This does not seem very fair (or maybe smart). On a longer 2 1/2 mile track the leaders would have been in and out of the pits before the lap down cars reached the pit exit. So, I must ask, why didn't those cars come in for gas and line up of the left line?