[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by simple simon

this may seem like a stupid question (i know, it wont be my first) but how are points awarded during the chase ?

i was looking at RD's chase points thread and see the 12 chase drivers will start out only 60 points apart .... so, if points are awarded the same as they have been during the rest of the season .... after the first chase race # 12 place driver could possibly move into 1st if he wins and the others have some bad luck ...... seems like 1 dnf in the chase could mean youre screwed

I'm so glad you asked that question!

Here's my "dumb blond" question of the month:

Ok. Chase is locked in. Slate is wiped clean ... sort of. Twelve drivers are separated by how many points each? Forget this new "seeding" thing. I'll work that into the math.

1st gets?
2nd gets?
3rd gets?

Etc. ...

Then, once the Chase starts, the points are awarded the same as they are during the "normal" season. Is this correct?

My dad is an umpire and I've asked him many, many questions over the years about the game, but jeez! NASCAR is out of control!

Is it true that mathematically there is no way the 13th place driver who is out of the Chase to actually win the Cup or even finish in the top 5 since he was locked out? Never happen, but what if the 13th place driver finishes 1st or 2nd in every race for the rest of the year, and the chosen "Chase" drivers either get many DNFs or finish outside the top 20? Then what? Am I making any sense at all?

I think I need a personal tutor.










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[simple simon]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

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Ok. Chase is locked in. Slate is wiped clean ... sort of. Twelve drivers are separated by how many points each? Forget this new "seeding" thing. I'll work that into the math.

1st gets?
2nd gets?
3rd gets?

so far as i understand it all 12 drivers in the chase start at 5,000 points ... plus they get an additional 10 points for each win they have

as Jimmy Johnson has 6 wins he will have 5,060 points ...... JG has 4 wins so he will have 5,040 points and so on

then during the final 10 chase races they will be awarded normal points for each race like the rest of the season

like i said, seems real unfair to me ...... if the 12th place car wins the first chase race and JG finishes in 41st with a dnf ..... JG could fall way behind and the driver that started in 12th could be in the lead

just doesnt seem right after you do so well all season

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

so far as i understand it all 12 drivers in the chase start at 5,000 points ... plus they get an additional 10 points for each win they have

as Jimmy Johnson has 6 wins he will have 5,060 points ...... JG has 4 wins so he will have 5,040 points and so on

then during the final 10 chase races they will be awarded normal points for each race like the rest of the season

like i said, seems real unfair to me ...... if the 12th place car wins the first chase race and JG finishes in 41st with a dnf ..... JG could fall way behind and the driver that started in 12th could be in the lead

just doesnt seem right after you do so well all season

Hooooray ... finally someone else gets it !!! That's just one of the reasons I hate the chase but this is good. Someone else can see the light.

[Racer Duck]

The Chase - 2007 Style:

1. every driver in the Chase (the top 12 after the Richmond race) have their points reset to 5000 points, then are given bonus points in the amount of 10 points for every win they have so far this season.
2. for the 10 races in the Chase, the normal amount of points for each position are paid.
3. as always, the Champion is the driver with the most accumulated points at the end of the year.

Now, some are asking "what if's" so rather than answer all the what if's, how about I give you a simple math quiz and you can answer them yourself?

At the current point in time Jeff Gordon leads in points with just under 3700 (I'm gonna round off the numbers so your math problem won't be so hard...)

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is about 800 points behind Jeff in 13th place.

The lowest Chase point total for any driver in the Chase is currently 5000 points (Clint Boyer).

The first question: what is the difference between Dale Jr's points and the Clint Boyer's Chase points?

Second question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Clint assuming Clint does not start another race for the rest of the year, i.e. he finishes the year with 5000 points?

Last question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Jimmy Johnson and win the Championship assuming none of the 12 drivers in the Chase never start any of the 10 races in the Chase (that means they don't earn any more points, either)?

For those who don't know, in 2007, the most points a driver can earn in a race is 190 which includes the 5 points for leading a lap and the 5 points for leading the most laps.

I do hope you are able to figure out the answers to these questions, 'cause if you can't you need some serious math tutoring...

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by simple simon

so far as i understand it all 12 drivers in the chase start at 5,000 points ... plus they get an additional 10 points for each win they have

as Jimmy Johnson has 6 wins he will have 5,060 points ...... JG has 4 wins so he will have 5,040 points and so on

then during the final 10 chase races they will be awarded normal points for each race like the rest of the season

like i said, seems real unfair to me ...... if the 12th place car wins the first chase race and JG finishes in 41st with a dnf ..... JG could fall way behind and the driver that started in 12th could be in the lead

just doesnt seem right after you do so well all season

right idea, but JJ only has 5 wins...

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Hooooray ... finally someone else gets it !!! That's just one of the reasons I hate the chase but this is good. Someone else can see the light.

Whenever I see the light it is always the damn train at the end of the tunnel

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by simple simon

so far as i understand it all 12 drivers in the chase start at 5,000 points ... plus they get an additional 10 points for each win they have

as Jimmy Johnson has 6 wins he will have 5,060 points ...... JG has 4 wins so he will have 5,040 points and so on

then during the final 10 chase races they will be awarded normal points for each race like the rest of the season

like i said, seems real unfair to me ...... if the 12th place car wins the first chase race and JG finishes in 41st with a dnf ..... JG could fall way behind and the driver that started in 12th could be in the lead

just doesnt seem right after you do so well all season

Oh, boy!

So, all 12 Chase contenders start with 5,000 points, plus 10 points for each race they won during the "normal" season as Simple said. Get that. That would explain why the 13th place driver who was locked out could never earn more points than those in the Chase. Stupid. But I get it.

Once the Chase begins, "normal" season points are awarded to the top 12. Am I getting this?

I am assuming that the bonus points and finishing points are awarded to all drivers, not just the drivers in the Chase, correct? So in the unlikely event that all 12 Chase drivers have a DNF, relative points go to the rest of the field. Stupid question ... I know.

As the example above describes with JG and the 12th place driver, all bets are off at the start of the Chase. I can see where some might think this is exciting, but I think the season as a whole should be the determining factor as to who wins the Cup. Not just the last 10 races. Yes ... even if that means Gordon gets the Cup! This is like the flippin' Twilight Zone!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Oh, boy!

So, all 12 Chase contenders start with 5,000 points, plus 10 points for each race they won during the "normal" season as Simple said. Get that. That would explain why the 13th place driver who was locked out could never earn more points than those in the Chase. Stupid. But I get it.

Once the Chase begins, "normal" season points are awarded to the top 12. Am I getting this?

I am assuming that the bonus points and finishing points are awarded to all drivers, not just the drivers in the Chase, correct? So in the unlikely event that all 12 Chase drivers have a DNF, relative points go to the rest of the field. Stupid question ... I know.

As the example above describes with JG and the 12th place driver, all bets are off at the start of the Chase. I can see where some might think this is exciting, but I think the season as a whole should be the determining factor as to who wins the Cup. Not just the last 10 races. Yes ... even if that means Gordon gets the Cup! This is like the flippin' Twilight Zone!

I am assuming you are talking about race points, not Chase points. If so, then yes, you are right. there is no difference in the points awarded for each race before the Chase or after the Chase starts. the only difference is resetting each Chase driver's point total to a base of 5000 then adding the win bonus points. the "not in" drivers do not get any bonus points based on their wins when the Chase begins.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

The Chase - 2007 Style:

1. every driver in the Chase (the top 12 after the Richmond race) have their points reset to 5000 points, then are given bonus points in the amount of 10 points for every win they have so far this season.
2. for the 10 races in the Chase, the normal amount of points for each position are paid.
3. as always, the Champion is the driver with the most accumulated points at the end of the year.

Now, some are asking "what if's" so rather than answer all the what if's, how about I give you a simple math quiz and you can answer them yourself?

At the current point in time Jeff Gordon leads in points with just under 3700 (I'm gonna round off the numbers so your math problem won't be so hard...)

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is about 800 points behind Jeff in 13th place.

The lowest Chase point total for any driver in the Chase is currently 5000 points (Clint Boyer).

The first question: what is the difference between Dale Jr's points and the Clint Boyer's Chase points?

Second question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Clint assuming Clint does not start another race for the rest of the year, i.e. he finishes the year with 5000 points?

Last question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Jimmy Johnson and win the Championship assuming none of the 12 drivers in the Chase never start any of the 10 races in the Chase (that means they don't earn any more points, either)?

For those who don't know, in 2007, the most points a driver can earn in a race is 190 which includes the 5 points for leading a lap and the 5 points for leading the most laps.

I do hope you are able to figure out the answers to these questions, 'cause if you can't you need some serious math tutoring...

I give! I need some serious math tutoring! Math was never my strong suit!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

The Chase - 2007 Style:

1. every driver in the Chase (the top 12 after the Richmond race) have their points reset to 5000 points, then are given bonus points in the amount of 10 points for every win they have so far this season.
2. for the 10 races in the Chase, the normal amount of points for each position are paid.
3. as always, the Champion is the driver with the most accumulated points at the end of the year.

Now, some are asking "what if's" so rather than answer all the what if's, how about I give you a simple math quiz and you can answer them yourself?

At the current point in time Jeff Gordon leads in points with just under 3700 (I'm gonna round off the numbers so your math problem won't be so hard...)

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is about 800 points behind Jeff in 13th place.

The lowest Chase point total for any driver in the Chase is currently 5000 points (Clint Boyer).

The first question: what is the difference between Dale Jr's points and the Clint Boyer's Chase points? Right now it is 2119 points

Second question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Clint assuming Clint does not start another race for the rest of the year, i.e. he finishes the year with 5000 points? 11.152632 races

Last question: how many races does Dale Jr. need to win in order to overtake Jimmy Johnson and win the Championship assuming none of the 12 drivers in the Chase never start any of the 10 races in the Chase (that means they don't earn any more points, either)? If again you are using chase points he will need 26.631579 races to overtake him for 1st place in the chase. Since at this point Jeff is in the points lead and we are not in the chase then he would need 4.21 races ... assuming none of the other 12 complete a lap between now and race 36's checkered flag.

For those who don't know, in 2007, the most points a driver can earn in a race is 190 which includes the 5 points for leading a lap and the 5 points for leading the most laps.

I do hope you are able to figure out the answers to these questions, 'cause if you can't you need some serious math tutoring...

Hopefully the above answers are somewhat correct.

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I'm so glad you asked that question!

Here's my "dumb blond" question of the month:

Ok. Chase is locked in. Slate is wiped clean ... sort of. Twelve drivers are separated by how many points each? Forget this new "seeding" thing. I'll work that into the math.

1st gets?
2nd gets?
3rd gets?

Etc. ...

Then, once the Chase starts, the points are awarded the same as they are during the "normal" season. Is this correct?

My dad is an umpire and I've asked him many, many questions over the years about the game, but jeez! NASCAR is out of control!

Is it true that mathematically there is no way the 13th place driver who is out of the Chase to actually win the Cup or even finish in the top 5 since he was locked out? Never happen, but what if the 13th place driver finishes 1st or 2nd in every race for the rest of the year, and the chosen "Chase" drivers either get many DNFs or finish outside the top 20? Then what? Am I making any sense at all?

I think I need a personal tutor.










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Dumb blonde question of the month? Hey Penelope I'm a blonde! LOL! Just messing!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Hopefully the above answers are somewhat correct.

Ya did good on 1 & 2, but you blew it on 3. I think if you look at the answer to 2, you will see your error...

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I give! I need some serious math tutoring! Math was never my strong suit!

(tutoring complete.)
look out people, Penney is now a Math wizard!!!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Ya did good on 1 & 2, but you blew it on 3. I think if you look at the answer to 2, you will see your error...

Error maybe. I wasn't totally sure if you were allowing the 5000 point system to play into the last question. If not then I think my answer was correct at 4.21. Now with that said and allowing for 5040 points then he would need 11.363158 races to overtake Jeff.

Now since there are only 11 races left there is no way for Jr to be the champion. But what if he ran the high line on all the tracks for all the laps ??? Over the course of 11 races maybe he could get credit for the .363158 that he would need to win. If Group France could expand it to the top 12 then why couldn't they allow the extra mileage to count toward more actual racing ???? HUH ????

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Error maybe. I wasn't totally sure if you were allowing the 5000 point system to play into the last question. If not then I think my answer was correct at 4.21. Now with that said and allowing for 5040 points then he would need 11.363158 races to overtake Jeff.

you answered an unasked question. read it again and redo your calculations. (sheesh, even the mods can't read a question correctly!!!)

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Now since there are only 11 races left there is no way for Jr to be the champion. But what if he ran the high line on all the tracks for all the laps ??? Over the course of 11 races maybe he could get credit for the .363158 that he would need to win. If Group France could expand it to the top 12 then why couldn't they allow the extra mileage to count toward more actual racing ???? HUH ????

sure, why wouldn't they give a break to the favorite son?