[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

VERY rare slip!

yep

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Now learn that a sentence begins with a capital letter. Shall we discuss your sentence structure? Punctuation? Hmmm? Hmmm?

I prefer casual to formal - besides, I'm "communicating" not writing an essay - but I'll discuss anything - lead off

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

You big bully!

yep

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I knew that! I knew that!


Also known as "pushing" and "loose" ... or ... when a car is pushing, the frontend hits the wall. When a car is loose, the backend hits the wall. Also, a car will get loose when another car comes up on the rear bumper and messes with the air. And if a car blows a front tire, that's really pushing/tight!

Wanna talk stagger now? That's all I know: loose, pushing, and stagger!
<Insert obvious joke here.>







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gimme a break! I just woke up (yeah, us retired types can sleep thru sunrise anytime we want), am staggering around looking for the coffee pot and you want jokes!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ok, i have heard some of you throw this line around from time to time ...... so it got me to wondering

just what exactly distinguishes the "modern era" and when did it start ?

I remember seeing a post recently, it seems like either king43stp or BBW was the poster, that described the eras. and I think the transition year from "pre-modern" (aka, the old days) to modern was in the early '70s. there was also a short era we call "the early days" where there was lots of racin but not many rules. I personally think this era stuff is an attempt by some to discount the records of certain early racers so that certain later racers look good. but that's just my opinion.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

gimme a break! I just woke up (yeah, us retired types can sleep thru sunrise anytime we want), am staggering around looking for the coffee pot and you want jokes!

I can always count on you, RD, to make me laugh! Sometimes at my expense!



I'm on my second cup of coffee, so I guess I'm ahead!

Enjoy this beautiful day ...



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[Racer Duck]

your wish is my command o Goddess of All Things NASCAR.

[enjoyment on]

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ok, i have heard some of you throw this line around from time to time ...... so it got me to wondering

just what exactly distinguishes the "modern era" and when did it start ?

I think technically it was the signing of Winston as title sponsor in the early 70s, as Duck stated.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

your wish is my command o Goddess of All Things NASCAR.

[enjoyment on]

well that sucks .. it rained!

[enjoyment off]

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ok, i have heard some of you throw this line around from time to time ...... so it got me to wondering

just what exactly distinguishes the "modern era" and when did it start ?

GREAT question, Simon. "Modern Era" is one of those terms lots of people use (like "jobs Americans won't do..." - but that's for another forum), and it's been used so much that it's become just part of our racing language.

Some believe that it was 1971, when RJR began its sponsorship of the Series. I don't go along with this because, in 1971, there were still 46 races on the schedule but only races over 250 miles counted toward the Winston Cup.

Personally, I believe the exact date of the beginning of the "Modern Era" was January 11, 1972, when Bill France Sr turned the reins over to Bill Jr. That was the year the schedule was reduced to 31 races. It was also the year the factory sponsorship were totally gone from NASCAR and big money sponsors came into the party and have yet to leave. That was the year STP took over Petty Enterprises and K&K Insurance (about the only insurance Co. in the country which would insure a race track at the time) sponsored Bobby Issac's Dodge. It was the year that NASCAR began paying appearance money and introduced the "Winner's Circle Program (the precursors of the provisional plan) for showing up for all the races. This later changed to the most recent twelve winners.

There is an argument to be made that the "real" modern era began on September 14, 1993, when Jeff Gordon started his first Cup race at Atlanta.

Take your choice.

[Racer Duck]

my vote is for the '72 date...

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

GREAT question, Simon.

well Bob, i must say, i love it when you say that to me

i really brought this up because of a trivia question i asked ...... then i was asked if i meant during the modern era, and i had to admit i didnt know what that meant ....... so i figured i would ask you guys

[LSC9901]

Everything I ever read said that the "modern era" began in '72. That makes me a pre modern era fan.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Everything I ever read said that the "modern era" began in '72. That makes me a pre modern era fan.

so we're "pre-me"s?

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

GREAT question, Simon. "Modern Era" is one of those terms lots of people use (like "jobs Americans won't do..." - but that's for another forum), and it's been used so much that it's become just part of our racing language.

Some believe that it was 1971, when RJR began its sponsorship of the Series. I don't go along with this because, in 1971, there were still 46 races on the schedule but only races over 250 miles counted toward the Winston Cup.

Personally, I believe the exact date of the beginning of the "Modern Era" was January 11, 1972, when Bill France Sr turned the reins over to Bill Jr. That was the year the schedule was reduced to 31 races. It was also the year the factory sponsorship were totally gone from NASCAR and big money sponsors came into the party and have yet to leave. That was the year STP took over Petty Enterprises and K&K Insurance (about the only insurance Co. in the country which would insure a race track at the time) sponsored Bobby Issac's Dodge. It was the year that NASCAR began paying appearance money and introduced the "Winner's Circle Program (the precursors of the provisional plan) for showing up for all the races. This later changed to the most recent twelve winners.

There is an argument to be made that the "real" modern era began on September 14, 1993, when Jeff Gordon started his first Cup race at Atlanta.

Take your choice.

I'd also go with '72. It makes the most sense.

On the same note, when Gordon started his first race in '92 (also Richard Petty's last, in case you haven't already heard) could and maybe is called Post Modern, the era NASCAR started to really turned into NA$CAR.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I'd also go with '72. It makes the most sense.

On the same note, when Gordon started his first race in '92 (also Richard Petty's last, in case you haven't already heard) could and maybe is called Post Modern, the era NASCAR started to really turned into NA$CAR.

that's a good'un. Gold Star for you, BBW

(because it just happened, I was amused when I mistyped your initials and got BBQ!)

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

so we're "pre-me"s?

Sounds like an entry for the GTG NASCAR Dictionary