[Phils20]

Oh, we are good!

At only 40, I consider myself a long time fan. I haven't seen what some others here have, but I have seen a lot of racing!

I know in my head that it is all business, but I do try to fool myself into believing it is about the racing.

On race day, I still think it is, it's just the other six days that muddy things up!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Oh, we are good!

At only 40, I consider myself a long time fan. I haven't seen what some others here have, but I have seen a lot of racing!

I know in my head that it is all business, but I do try to fool myself into believing it is about the racing.

On race day, I still think it is, it's just the other six days that muddy things up!

That's why I say I liked NASCAR a whole lot more twenty years ago when we didn't have the Internet, 24/7 coverage and journalists who devoted their entire workday to covering NASCAR news.

The sport has a lot of blemishes which, up close, ruin its complexion. It only when we take the time and effort to closely examine it that we are distracted by these imperfections.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

That's why I say I liked NASCAR a whole lot more twenty years ago when we didn't have the Internet, 24/7 coverage and journalists who devoted their entire workday to covering NASCAR news.

The sport has a lot of blemishes which, up close, ruin its complexion. It only when we take the time and effort to closely examine it that we are distracted by these imperfections.

Very true.

I think that is a fact in most arenas these days. Whether in sports, politics, or entertainment.

[titans#1]

if labonte ends up switching points with kyle petty will do nothing because after 5-6 races later he will most likely be in the same situation he is in now.also if the swap does go down labonte will most likely go to RCR.

[PettyBlue]

It seems people do not understand this points swap thing.Take Kyle and Bobby as an example.If they swap points it does not hurt Bobby.The drivers points count towards the 12 man chase of which Bobby is 14'th at present.If the swap happens between the 43 and 45 it is only owner points not driver points changed.Owner points count toward the top 35 rule not driver points.Bobby stays with the same cars and team as does Kyle.Kyle gets to stay in the top 35 at #14 while Bobby needs to race his way in on time or use one of 6 past champ prov.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

It seems people do not understand this points swap thing.Take Kyle and Bobby as an example.If they swap points it does not hurt Bobby.The drivers points count towards the 12 man chase of which Bobby is 14'th at present.If the swap happens between the 43 and 45 it is only owner points not driver points changed.Owner points count toward the top 35 rule not driver points.Bobby stays with the same cars and team as does Kyle.Kyle gets to stay in the top 35 at #14 while Bobby needs to race his way in on time or use one of 6 past champ prov.

Glad you brought that up, PB. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading thru this thread.

There's two ways the "points swap" could work. One requires NASCAR's blessing, the other requires the sponsor's OK (notice I didn't say blessing?)
1) Petition NASCAR to swap car owner points between two cars - NASCAR has to approve.
2) Swap drivers between two cars - NASCAR doen't have to appove, but an owner would be foolish to do it without the sponsor's OK.

Either way the driver keeps his/her points and the lower positioned car/team gets the benefit of the Chosen or Champions provisional rules. Of course, this only makes sense when the driver being put into the lower positioned team has Champion provisionals...

[OrionBen]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

It seems people do not understand this points swap thing.Take Kyle and Bobby as an example.If they swap points it does not hurt Bobby.The drivers points count towards the 12 man chase of which Bobby is 14'th at present.If the swap happens between the 43 and 45 it is only owner points not driver points changed.Owner points count toward the top 35 rule not driver points.Bobby stays with the same cars and team as does Kyle.Kyle gets to stay in the top 35 at #14 while Bobby needs to race his way in on time or use one of 6 past champ prov.

It does hurt Bobby if Kurt Busch (with Penske swap) comes and takes a provisional and Bobby misses the race. The Bobby will loses at least a hundred points in the Championship.

And also in parallel it might prevent the owner from making the owner chase while the driver can make the chase. I guess the $ figure might be interesting for any owner chase team, but weekly exposure is even more important.

[Bob Tanner]

We now have an interesting turn of events, due to this points swapping/team swapping/driver swapping stuff.

David Reutimann was in the #00, with 461 points and 109 ahead of 36th place in owner points. As of this morning David is in the #44, with 367 points and 15 ahead of being out of The Chosen.

Feeling real safe this morning, are we, David?

This Chosen 35 Rule screws a lot of people. It's just wrong!

[Bryan88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

We now have an interesting turn of events, due to this points swapping/team swapping/driver swapping stuff.

David Reutimann was in the #00, with 461 points and 109 ahead of 36th place in owner points. As of this morning David is in the #44, with 367 points and 15 ahead of being out of The Chosen.

Feeling real safe this morning, are we, David?

This Chosen 35 Rule screws a lot of people. It's just wrong!

They are swapping his points to the 44, right?

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

It seems people do not understand this points swap thing.Take Kyle and Bobby as an example.If they swap points it does not hurt Bobby.The drivers points count towards the 12 man chase of which Bobby is 14'th at present.If the swap happens between the 43 and 45 it is only owner points not driver points changed.Owner points count toward the top 35 rule not driver points.Bobby stays with the same cars and team as does Kyle.Kyle gets to stay in the top 35 at #14 while Bobby needs to race his way in on time or use one of 6 past champ prov.

That is a great point. And I must admit that is missed that little fact!!

[Bryan88]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

It seems people do not understand this points swap thing.Take Kyle and Bobby as an example.If they swap points it does not hurt Bobby.The drivers points count towards the 12 man chase of which Bobby is 14'th at present.If the swap happens between the 43 and 45 it is only owner points not driver points changed.Owner points count toward the top 35 rule not driver points.Bobby stays with the same cars and team as does Kyle.Kyle gets to stay in the top 35 at #14 while Bobby needs to race his way in on time or use one of 6 past champ prov.

I know Kyle can do this and it is within the rules, but I dislike it. You should be good enough to be a top 35 driver, not just swap points with someone to guarantee you a spot. It is really a slap in the face of the 36, 37, 38 and 39th place drivers, who have been better than Petty, but don't have a teammate that will bail him out. It also could hurt Labonte if Hornish falls out of the top 35 and swaps points with Busch, who has the provisional before Bobby. Both would likely qualify just fine on time, but it is still a risk.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Bryan88

I know Kyle can do this and it is within the rules, but I dislike it. You should be good enough to be a top 35 driver, not just swap points with someone to guarantee you a spot. It is really a slap in the face of the 36, 37, 38 and 39th place drivers, who have been better than Petty, but don't have a teammate that will bail him out. It also could hurt Labonte if Hornish falls out of the top 35 and swaps points with Busch, who has the provisional before Bobby. Both would likely qualify just fine on time, but it is still a risk.

Agree,but talk to Mikey about this points swapping.As far as the #77 and #2,haven't the swapped once this season at the start?Will Nascar allow it again?Who know's with Nascar these day's.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Bryan88

They are swapping his points to the 44, right?

Nope. They're putting David in the #44 because they feel he has the best chance of keeping the car in The Chosen, plus he has more name recognition than does Michael McDowell.

My personal opinion, having kept up with McDowell's career somewhat, is that, that will change within the next year.

This kid was international karting champ two years running, has experience in LMS, GrandAm and CART and almost won the ARCA Series last season, in his rookie year in stocks.

Put the name Michael McDowell away in your memory banks; you're going to be hearing it a lot.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Nope. They're putting David in the #44 because they feel he has the best chance of keeping the car in The Chosen, plus he has more name recognition than does Michael McDowell.

My personal opinion, having kept up with McDowell's career somewhat, is that, that will change within the next year.

This kid was international karting champ two years running, has experience in LMS, GrandAm and CART and almost won the ARCA Series last season, in his rookie year in stocks.

Put the name Michael McDowell away in your memory banks; you're going to be hearing it a lot.

I will be waiting on Kyle to get out and let Chad McCumbee in the #45 full time. www.chadmccumbee.com

[Bryan88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Nope. They're putting David in the #44 because they feel he has the best chance of keeping the car in The Chosen, plus he has more name recognition than does Michael McDowell.

I would be upset if I were David, he has worked hard and driven really good so far to earn those points. I understand that they want McDowell to be guaranteed a spot while he transitions to cup competition, but still a tough break for David.