[Measure]

Originally Posted by simple simon

wow ... so many feelings on the subject ... where do i start ?

with the current state of MLB i think that is one of the worst examples you could have given ..... it has been reported that in the 90's the MLB Commissioner and owners tried to institute a much tougher drug testing policy .. the players union would not allow it ... today as a result we have the steroids mess in baseball ...... you can argue that the reporting is one-sided .. but i will say that the players have never denied that this is a fact

MLBPA isn't as powerful as it was in the 90's, but still has enough sway to prevent a salary cap, unlike the other big sports.

i think there is no way NASCAR drivers should be allowed to have a union .... and i do think it would be much like a labor union ..... let's say Texas pisses off Tony Stewart .. then he can ask his union to boycott and not go to the race at Texas Motor Speedway .... how would that go over with all of you ?

See MLBPA. There hasn't been a work stoppage in over 10 years. If the drivers do have to call a strike once a decade or so, I could live with that.

how about if NASCAR does a post-race inspection and finds 5 cars with problems .... but the union tells NASCAR it cant penalize those drivers .... or maybe the union only allows NASCAR to penalize 3 of them ..... think it cant happen ?

unions are a bad idea

Fewer penalties are fine with me. I want less news about penalties, and more news about what's happening on the track. In any case, a Union could make it so penalties are assessed AFTER the appeals rather than before. Presumption of innocence would be fine.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Measure

MLBPA isn't as powerful as it was in the 90's, but still has enough sway to prevent a salary cap, unlike the other big sports.

See MLBPA. There hasn't been a work stoppage in over 10 years. If the drivers do have to call a strike once a decade or so, I could live with that.

Fewer penalties are fine with me. I want less news about penalties, and more news about what's happening on the track. In any case, a Union could make it so penalties are assessed AFTER the appeals rather than before. Presumption of innocence would be fine.

Presumption of innocence works fine in a court of law. In everyday life it has a lot of flaws. I dare say that any parent in this forum would have had a Hell of a time disciplining their kids if, every time they asked, "Why did you do that?" and the kid replied, "I didn't!," they had to prove guilt and then arbitrate.

I'm going to go waaaay out on a limb here and guess that if you read my post in the "Dale Jarret and Others Speak Out..." thread, you'll find some objectionable statements. <G>

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by simple simon

unions are a bad idea

BINGO!.......