[Phils20]

Originally Posted by bears9

I'm not actually that against the Rain Out rule, the overall top 35, yes I don't like that. But how else are you going to do it with quailfying rained out?

Well, they could try this years standings, but I think this has just turned into another Top 35 rule argument.

I do think it's OK to se the current filed that way. And after this week, I think the rain rules also convert to this years.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by bears9

I'm not actually that against the Rain Out rule, the overall top 35, yes I don't like that. But how else are you going to do it with quailfying rained out?

Since cup qualifying generally happens on Friday and most of the races are run on Sunday ... that leaves Saturday to get the job done. Now you're saying "well what about the NW series events schedules on Saturday ???" If they ran at different tracks that problem, along with another one, would be resolved. The current rain out procedure has been in place since about 1952. Maybe it's time to look at alternative solutions.

[bears9]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Since cup qualifying generally happens on Friday and most of the races are run on Sunday ... that leaves Saturday to get the job done. Now you're saying "well what about the NW series events schedules on Saturday ???" If they ran at different tracks that problem, along with another one, would be resolved. The current rain out procedure has been in place since about 1952. Maybe it's time to look at alternative solutions.

There is only one problem with that theory they don't run different tracks so they can't, it's simple. But like Phils I would be more in favor of using last year's standings.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by bears9

There is only one problem with that theory they don't run different tracks so they can't, it's simple. But like Phils I would be more in favor of using last year's standings.

It is true that they do not run diffrent tracks but that doesn't mean they can't. Another option would be to just say OK at 5 AM Saturday morning qualifying begins. Don't like it ??? Load up your car and go home. I have to believe that there are many teams that would qualify at anytime just to get the chance to get in the race.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

It is true that they do not run different tracks but that doesn't mean they can't. Another option would be to just say OK at 5 AM Saturday morning qualifying begins. Don't like it ??? Load up your car and go home. I have to believe that there are many teams that would qualify at anytime just to get the chance to get in the race.

Well, you know that is all about TV. For some reason, they don't wanna run when they can't televise it.

Qualifying should be as importanat as the race. Hell, in some ways, I think it is more impartant.

I guess thre will never be solution that satisfies all. I just want to see cars on the track, but that just isn't always gonna happend!

Todays weather looks lousy as well!

Bristol Weather Forecast and Conditions Tennessee

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Well, you know that is all about TV. For some reason, they don't wanna run when they can't televise it.

Qualifying should be as importanat as the race. Hell, in some ways, I think it is more impartant.

I guess thre will never be solution that satisfies all. I just want to see cars on the track, but that just isn't always gonna happend!

Todays weather looks lousy as well!

Bristol Weather Forecast and Conditions Tennessee

"YES" ... the media. Everything must revolve around the airwaves. Tough balance between racing and business. I like racing and France likes $$$. He wins.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

I wonder if in 60s and 70s it wasn't the same "this ain't 1949" anymore mentality ?!I know the Woods were THE ones ahead of the pack with their quick pit stops against the 49er pit-stop brigade in 65.
Thing is I doubt it matters so much about big business as it is simply out of touch with an ever changing world.

Having lived through it, I believe I'm qualified to answer that question.

Not nearly as much discontent as we see today. On a scale of 1-10, I'd give it about a "3."

here is my reasoning based on person memories:
"Big Business" had already tried to invade the sport, in the person of Karl Kiekhaeffer. Bill France Sr. literally chased he and his fleet of Dodges and Chrysler 300's out of NASCAR, never to return. The only "Big Business" we had was the factory-sponsored teams.

Back in the '60's in this country there was an almost nationwide love affair with the automobile, the economy was strong and gas was cheap. Add to this roughly 10-15% of the population worked directly, or indirectly, for an automobile company and... What could the factories do wrong?

Further add that the sport was smaller and there was no 24/7 coverage of the sport and no Internet. People concerned themselves with the sport itself and weren't privy to, nor didn't even care, about the minutia of "Big time stock car racing."

Take into consideration further that the major auto sport in this country, at the time, was open-wheel, racing done by the teams and cars which ran the Indy 500. Now here, you had some major discontent. It was over the "rear-engined invasion which, in my person opinion, proved to be correct and it eventually brought down open wheel racing (You and I obviously disagree on that point and feel free to put forth your position. I respect your argument even though I think that you're wrong... <g>)

I totally agree with you on the statement about it possibly not being so much about big business as it is about it being an ever-changing, and might I add "too rapidly," changing world.

I've said it before; I think I enjoyed racing a whole lot more back when there wasn't 24/7 coverage. When you have the media coverage we have today, it allows you to get very close to the sport itself and all its blemishes and imperfections are easily visible. That doesn't make for a pretty picture.

But, except in the matter of rear-engines, I could be very, very wrong...

[bob101]

The people that are really wanting the Nationwide series to totally break off and start running races at tracks than the cup on the same weekend.

I present exhibit "A".

Find a copy of last year's Memphis race and tell me you're interested in watching that, paying to see it in person etc...Probably not.

Not to mention if you want to kill a series divorce it totally from cup and see how long nationwide last. So many of the seats filled at a nationwide event are because they are part of the package of truck, nationwide, and cup bundled together.

If people actually had to buy nationwide tickets and they were racing at a track alone that weekend I would be willing to bet attendance would drop off so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by bob101

The people that are really wanting the Nationwide series to totally break off and start running races at tracks than the cup on the same weekend.

I present exhibit "A".

Find a copy of last year's Memphis race and tell me you're interested in watching that, paying to see it in person etc...Probably not.

Not to mention if you want to kill a series divorce it totally from cup and see how long nationwide last. So many of the seats filled at a nationwide event are because they are part of the package of truck, nationwide, and cup bundled together.

If people actually had to buy nationwide tickets and they were racing at a track alone that weekend I would be willing to bet attendance would drop off so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

I have a question, Robert...

If having Cup Raiders and their team are the secret for keeping the Cup Lite Series breathing, then how did it ever survive the pre-Cup Lite days when they ran separate venues such as Hickory, Rougemont, Nazareth and Pikes Peak?

Actually I have two...

If the Cup Lite team and the Cup Raiders are so responsible for the "success" of the Cup Lite Series, then why are the team owners disappearing? Now, not only does the Cup Lite mirror the Cup Series in its starting driver make up, it is a copy of the team membership as well.

I think a token appearance by a Cup star is a good thing for the Series. However, mass invasion just plain stinks.

But, that is just my personal opinion and I could be very, very wrong...

[jks812]

Originally Posted by bob101

The people that are really wanting the Nationwide series to totally break off and start running races at tracks than the cup on the same weekend.

I present exhibit "A".

Find a copy of last year's Memphis race and tell me you're interested in watching that, paying to see it in person etc...Probably not.

Not to mention if you want to kill a series divorce it totally from cup and see how long nationwide last. So many of the seats filled at a nationwide event are because they are part of the package of truck, nationwide, and cup bundled together.

If people actually had to buy nationwide tickets and they were racing at a track alone that weekend I would be willing to bet attendance would drop off so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

I think if they run trucks and busch at one track, and cup at a different track, attendance wouldn't drop off so much. Because then you have the trucks, which is the best racing of all 3, there to help.