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At this point in the history of NASCAR I would say that any woman who makes it into the cup series based on ability is successful.. Obviously we have not yet had a female champion so the level of success isn't that high yet. There are many speculations as to why we have yet to have a long term successful female. Which one is correct leaves the door wide open to interpretation. I would suggest that there isn't any one reason but several factors. All matters of opinion.

[SteelPhoenyx]

Originally Posted by Measure

Before I became a fan, I thought Danica Patrick was in NASCAR. Guess not.

Oh yeah, THERE's a brilliant example of a 'successful' female race driver.

I am teasing, of course. She's yet to win a race in her series. Seriously, I don't want her even thinking about coming to NASCAR.

The most current female NASCAR driver is Erin Crocker. She, ah, kinda blew it by sleeping with her boss, but hopefully the ride she is in now in the Truck Series will help her redeem herself. She ran ARCA last year and did pretty decently.

I googled 'female NASCAR drivers' earlier and came up with a number of names. The most interesting link was from wikipedia that listed a few. Category:Female NASCAR drivers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Women haven't participated in NASCAR racing on a steady basis, and none have won a race. A few have cracked the top 5.

I hope Crissy Wallace can accomplish what she sets out to do and prove the current trend of thought wrong regarding female drivers. She'll probably drive circles around cousin Steve.

And Kudos to Germain Racing for fielding a truck for her!! That is so awesome, I can't wait to watch here debut in the Truck Series. Justin Marks is the rookie I'm cheering for, and he's part of Germain too.

[Racer Duck]

Just in case nobody decided to check SteelPhoenix's link, Janet Guthrie is by far the most successful woman to have raced in NASCAR to date.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Just in case nobody decided to check SteelPhoenix's link, Janet Guthrie is by far the most successful woman to have raced in NASCAR to date.

Didn't she run the Indy 500 after running NASCAR? Guess I better check that out myself. If she was even semi-successful in both series, that's quite an accomplishment for any driver, male or female.

[SpaceCadet]

ok, duh, should have checked out the link first. I would say her (Guthrie's) performance in both stock car and open wheel was not too shabby. It looks to me she was quite a versitile driver.

[loco4pablo]

I still think there hasn't been a sucessful NASCAR woman driver. And yes Janet has been the most sucessful female to date. But I would say far from what I consider sucessful. I don't think you have to win a lot of races or championships to be considered sucessful. But you have to be around for awhile ya know? D. Pat in the IRL hasn't won anything but I do consider her as being sucessful. She makes the races and has had a full time ride for several years now. NASCAR hasn't had a female that has done a fraction what D. Pat has accomplished. Maybe this Wallace girl will and with a last name of wallace she will prob. get as many chances as anyone has before.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

I still think there hasn't been a sucessful NASCAR woman driver. And yes Janet has been the most sucessful female to date. But I would say far from what I consider sucessful. I don't think you have to win a lot of races or championships to be considered sucessful. But you have to be around for awhile ya know? D. Pat in the IRL hasn't won anything but I do consider her as being sucessful. She makes the races and has had a full time ride for several years now. NASCAR hasn't had a female that has done a fraction what D. Pat has accomplished. Maybe this Wallace girl will and with a last name of wallace she will prob. get as many chances as anyone has before.

In the Guthrie/Patrick success measure that seems to be defined here (considered success = "have to be around for awhile"), Guthrie would "win". Yet it appears Guthrie is seen as unsuccessful as compared to Patrick who has been around less, with less success(?).

Obviously we are lost/missing something here, but that is common and we are actually learning to enjoy it.

There seems also in the above to be a search for a personally defined and accepted NASCAR success. Patrick is obviously out of that to date, and in this measure too would "lose" to Guthrie again/also.

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In any case, we come real close to "hate" as it relates to stereotypes. Having had the opportuinity to be the Novice/Rookie director at a local track, we've had the priviledge of working with a number of female/lady/(personal favorite word here) drivers and their teams. Having been this close and involved in motorsports, to our eye they were each and every one a success. Each and every one.

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Originally Posted by wingkey1

In the Guthrie/Patrick success measure that seems to be defined here (considered success = "have to be around for awhile"), Guthrie would "win". Yet it appears Guthrie is seen as unsuccessful as compared to Patrick who has been around less, with less success(?).

Obviously we are lost/missing something here, but that is common and we are actually learning to enjoy it.

There seems also in the above to be a search for a personally defined and accepted NASCAR success. Patrick is obviously out of that to date, and in this measure too would "lose" to Guthrie again/also.

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In any case, we come real close to "hate" as it relates to stereotypes. Having had the opportuinity to be the Novice/Rookie director at a local track, we've had the priviledge of working with a number of female/lady/(personal favorite word here) drivers and their teams. Having been this close and involved in motorsports, to our eye they were each and every one a success. Each and every one.

Ms. Patrick's notoriety comes from her looks versus her abilities in Motor Sports. She has been around for three years now. How many men with her same record can most people name ??? So you see it isn't her abilities that have gotten her all the media she gets.

Janet Guthrie, while not the original pioneer, did run in 33 races over a 4 year period and had 5 top 10's to her credit.

[loco4pablo]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

In the Guthrie/Patrick success measure that seems to be defined here (considered success = "have to be around for awhile"), Guthrie would "win". Yet it appears Guthrie is seen as unsuccessful as compared to Patrick who has been around less, with less success(?).

How can you say Patrick has had a less successful career then Guthrie? Janet ran 33 races over 4 years/ 5 of those being top 5's. Patrick has ran 47 races in 3 years with 23 top 10's. Guthrie never had a full time ride or a full time sponsor. Not the case with Patrick. Yes I agree her looks have a lot to do with her noterity but that's part of the game I guess. The having been around for awhile is pretty simple. As mentioned I don't think you can say someone is successful or not just by thier race win totals. But someone who is in the sport on a REGULAR basis and has been so for several years I would say was somewhat successful. There are plenty of drivers out there that never really set the world on fire but have had full times ride every year and sponsorship, obviously they had something that kept them employed and to me that's a success. NASCAR just hasn't found the female yet.

Obviously we are lost/missing something here, but that is common and we are actually learning to enjoy it.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me

There seems also in the above to be a search for a personally defined and accepted NASCAR success. Patrick is obviously out of that to date, and in this measure too would "lose" to Guthrie again/also.

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Never said Patrick had NASCAR success I was just using her as an example of a female that has been some what successful in motorsports.

In any case, we come real close to "hate" as it relates to stereotypes. Having had the opportuinity to be the Novice/Rookie director at a local track, we've had the priviledge of working with a number of female/lady/(personal favorite word here) drivers and their teams. Having been this close and involved in motorsports, to our eye they were each and every one a success. Each and every one.

Is no where close to hate or stereotypes at all. just a matter of opinion. To me there hasn't been a female that has been successful in NASCAR... YET! But in your eyes everyone is a success.... Each and every one. Sounds like that crap they are telling these little league kids these days... everyone is a winner!! Or every kid gets on the honor roll!!! PLEASE!!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

Is no where close to hate or stereotypes at all. just a matter of opinion. To me there hasn't been a female that has been successful in NASCAR... YET! But in your eyes everyone is a success.... Each and every one. Sounds like that crap they are telling these little league kids these days... everyone is a winner!! Or every kid gets on the honor roll!!! PLEASE!!

"Stereotypes" was in the title string, not your response. Somehow you felt you were seen as supporting this view. I did/do not see your response in this regard. If you do, I cannot help with this.

"Hate" was associated with a segment of my feelings around "stereotypes". Somehow you chose to own "hate". I cannot explain this, and will not try.

"Everyone" that I personally and directly worked with was a success. You have chosen for your own purposes of expression and self right to extend it beyond to include all kids and everyone. You are totally entitled to enjoy yourself within this.

However, it in no way dimishes those specific female individuals that I worked with. They were all and each successes.

There's crap here indeed.

I'm done. Feel free to talk with yourself.

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Let me add that opinions are greatly and graciously encouraged and accepted here. The title thread is about a woman who will try to break the stereotypical perception of women in racing. Lets not turn this into a class on who said what and what you said that meant what I thought. OK ???

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

"Stereotypes" was in the title string, not your response. Somehow you felt you were seen as supporting this view. I did/do not see your response in this regard. If you do, I cannot help with this.

"Hate" was associated with a segment of my feelings around "stereotypes". Somehow you chose to own "hate". I cannot explain this, and will not try.

"Everyone" that I personally and directly worked with was a success. You have chosen for your own purposes of expression and self right to extend it beyond to include all kids and everyone. You are totally entitled to enjoy yourself within this.

However, it in no way dimishes those specific female individuals that I worked with. They were all and each successes.

There's crap here indeed.

Yes, there's crap here.Where did hate come in?It reads of quite a bit of I's on your part.What or why,as in how do you you measure or state success with thoses female's YOU state that you worked with?

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Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Yes, there's crap here.Where did hate come in?It reads of quite a bit of I's on your part.What or why,as in how do you you measure or state success with thoses female's YOU state that you worked with?

I would seem that a discussion about Chrissy Walllace is no longer the subject. No point in keeping this thread alive.

Thanks