[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by loco4pablo

it cracks me up when these A%& kissing announcers (DW/Larry) just marvel how great the car is and how it's a lot easier to get them back under control compared to the old car! Well..... THEY AIN'T SUPPOSE TO BE THAT OUT OF CONTROL!!!!
The COT or CON or what ever they want to call it is a peice of you know what?!?!

DW has said several times on TV that something needs to be done to the COT car. The spliter on the front of the car looks weird with those rod braces. The reason for the spliter is to catch air and hold the front of the car down preventing air from getting under the car. NASCAR has dictated the use of soft front springs allowing the spliter to almost rest on the ground. The cars have bump stops to stop downward movement of the front of the car. Wait 'til they get to Charlotte. Sparks will be all over the place as the car travel through the corners.

Of course, NASCAR is trying to stabilize the car with the front end down with soft springs and a wing with stiff springs in the rear. Side skirts prevent air from entering the side of the car causing or creating "downforce". The idea is to push the front end down with air and hold up the rear but still pushing downward to assist stability.

Here's what I recommend: Recontour the spliter to look like some showroom cars. And, eliminate those spliter rods. Yet still create downforce. Install a full body pan with contour air flow ruts. Remove some of the side curtain to make the car look like a real car. Switch to coil over shocks front and rear. Then, do something with that crazy rear wing. Just have a curl up lip no more than 6 inches.

NASCAR is so concerned about safety and reducing top speed. If the car can't be controlled.... reduce the cubic inches or restrict compression ratio of the engine. But, in any case, give the teams some latitude to work with. Give them the specs and let the teams build the car.

[kcoruol]

IMHO

The Atlanta race was one of the worst races I've seen in my short history of NASCAR viewing. Loose or tight these drivers could barely control their cars not to mention how much slower they were driving as compared to last year.

Being no fan of Stewart, at least he's got the brass to speak out about what is wrong and that's the tires.

[DOF_power]

For all the piece of **** that the COT/CON is and the crappy job Goodyear did, it did show that the car can still be driven, if only just by one man.

[DOF_power]

.. or two.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

For all the piece of **** that the COT/CON is and the crappy job Goodyear did, it did show that the car can still be driven, if only just by one man.

As many in the observing crowd cry to be heard in the shadow of mounting data/information/evidence/(individual choice here) - "the one is simply an immature child devoid of the emotional and physical skills needed to successfully exist within the bounds of our personal requirements and needs".

Somebody's gonna be wrong.

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

As many in the observing crowd cry to be heard in the shadow of mounting data/information/evidence/(individual choice here) - "the one is simply an immature child devoid of the emotional and physical skills needed to successfully exist within the bounds of our personal requirements and needs".

Somebody's gonna be wrong.

Wing, I think you are wrong about Tony Stewart. He does have the skills to drive just about any kind of race car. What Tony was saying with his remarks after the race was that on his "scale", the Goodyear tires he was using at Atlanta was the worst he had ever used in his career as a race driver. I personally watched the in-car cameras showing cars ahead wiggling and sliding through the corners.

If you know of a race where Tony Stewart had poorer tires than the ones he was using at Atlanta let us know too.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by BiscuitMan

Wing, I think you are wrong about Tony Stewart. He does have the skills to drive just about any kind of race car.

i dont think wing was questioning Tony's ability to drive .... i believe he was questioning Tony's ability to shut up

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by BiscuitMan

Wing, I think you are wrong about Tony Stewart. He does have the skills to drive just about any kind of race car. What Tony was saying with his remarks after the race was that on his "scale", the Goodyear tires he was using at Atlanta was the worst he had ever used in his career as a race driver. I personally watched the in-car cameras showing cars ahead wiggling and sliding through the corners.

If you know of a race where Tony Stewart had poorer tires than the ones he was using at Atlanta let us know too.

Where did I mention TS? Actually I guess that's an unfair question and I ought be saying - wasn't even talking or referring to TS. Sorry for the confusion we caused.

Look back. Response was to the "one Man" only could drive the Goodyear/COT combo at Atlanta. Fairly (but never completely) sure the "one" referred to was the clear and dominant winner. Sorry again for confusion.

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

As many in the observing crowd cry to be heard in the shadow of mounting data/information/evidence/(individual choice here) - "the one is simply an immature child devoid of the emotional and physical skills needed to successfully exist within the bounds of our personal requirements and needs".

Somebody's gonna be wrong.

Wing, please notice the title of this thread "Will Tony Stewart Be Fined For Tire Comments". So, who are you referring to as "an immature child" ?

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by BiscuitMan

Wing, please notice the title of this thread "Will Tony Stewart Be Fined For Tire Comments". So, who are you referring to as "an immature child" ?

Actually if ya look, I made reference to no specific individual but instead was responding to the personally perceived (right or wrong is of no consequence) "one man" in a previous quote within the string.

Now if as might seem to be the suggestion that all threads and associated posts may not and/or do not ever wander from a/the name within the thread title, than clearly it is I who must don the title - "immature child". Been called worse. Can live with it.

Movin' on.

[DOF_power]

Hold on, wingkey1, I never questioned Tony's skills or reasoning. On the contrary I think he's talented and absolutely right and I even think it took some intervention from lady luck for some bad accidents that could have happen didn't happened.
Still Kyle Busch was impressive, as in old school driving a ****box impressive.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

Hold on, wingkey1, I never questioned Tony's skills or reasoning. On the contrary I think he's talented and absolutely right and I even think it took some intervention from lady luck for some bad accidents that could have happen didn't happened.
Still Kyle Busch was impressive, as in old school driving a ****box impressive.

You're correct. Neither did I. And further, I never indicated/said/intimated that you did.

Interesting. Guess I'm just guilty here of causing confusion. No biggee. Not too uncommon either.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Guess I'm just guilty here of causing confusion. No biggee. Not too uncommon either.

I must agree,again!

[BiscuitMan]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Guess I'm just guilty here of causing confusion. No biggee. Not too uncommon either.

Wing, it takes a BIG man admit something like a mistake or misstatement. I don't know that you have to apologize to this group. We're all BIG men too. Or, maybe a BIG woman or two.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by DOF_power

For all the piece of **** that the COT/CON is and the crappy job Goodyear did, it did show that the car can still be driven, if only just by one man.

OK, I gotta know. And just as curiosity killed the cat I ask, Who is the "one"?