[LSC9901]

2008 Standings - Behind

1. Kyle Busch (51) -

2. Todd Bodine (30) -20

3. Johnny Benson (23)-25

4. David Starr (11)-81

5. Rick Crawford (14)-84

6. Phillip McGilton (22)-104

7. Chad McCumbee (8. )-110

8. Dennis Setzer (18.)-111

9. Ron Hornaday Jr. (33)-112

10. Stacy Compton (4)-115

[wingkey1]

Hmmmmm ----


Kyle Busch, Kyle Busch ----- ain't he the one that HMS dumped in favor of one he kept and another he brought in to replace?

Nah, can't be. HMS don't make mistakes like that. Must be another guy this one.

Gonna take a moment now and check the Sprint Cup standings to see who's on top there. If nothing else for sure the two HMS folks referred to above got to be burying this Busch fella. Gotta be.

And if time allows, we'll check Nationwide to see how thing are going there.

[jks812]

Did you hear Skinners comment about Kyle only running part time in trucks and how he ( Kyle) wasn't racing for points and basically shouldn't be there? Then lo and behold we have the righteous Mr. Mike Skinner gonna run a few cup races. Wonder if Kyle will make the comments about Skinner that Skinner made about Kyle. About how he ( Kyle) is running for a championship and Skinner ain't running for points and he shouldn't be there taking wins away from them. Oh wait never mind, I don't think Skinner will be taking any wins from the cup drivers.
Goodness I hope Kyle leaves LV leading all 3 series. That would be awesome and a big F you to HMS.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Hmmmmm ----


Kyle Busch, Kyle Busch ----- ain't he the one that HMS dumped in favor of one he kept and another he brought in to replace?

Nah, can't be. HMS don't make mistakes like that. Must be another guy this one.

Gonna take a moment now and check the Sprint Cup standings to see who's on top there. If nothing else for sure the two HMS folks referred to above got to be burying this Busch fella. Gotta be.

And if time allows, we'll check Nationwide to see how thing are going there.

Could it be that there are two Kyle Busch's in NASCAR ??? HMS would never unload anyone who could lead all three series at once would they ???

[bears9]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Could it be that there are two Kyle Busch's in NASCAR ??? HMS would never unload anyone who could lead all three series at once would they ???

No HMS is way too smart for that

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by jks812

Did you hear Skinners comment about Kyle only running part time in trucks and how he ( Kyle) wasn't racing for points and basically shouldn't be there? Then lo and behold we have the righteous Mr. Mike Skinner gonna run a few cup races. Wonder if Kyle will make the comments about Skinner that Skinner made about Kyle. About how he ( Kyle) is running for a championship and Skinner ain't running for points and he shouldn't be there taking wins away from them. Oh wait never mind, I don't think Skinner will be taking any wins from the cup drivers.
Goodness I hope Kyle leaves LV leading all 3 series. That would be awesome and a big F you to HMS.

I didn't hear Skinner make these comments, but I can assure you, he isn't alone in his beliefs.

Skinner running cup races is much less of a big deal than Busch running truck races. This is the same reason there is no point to watching Cup Lite races anymore. Busch has already made his mark on NASCAR's most elite series, so what business does he have going to a lower level to take wins and championship points for the regulars of that series? The only difference, besides average age, between the Truck and Nationwide series is there are less Cup invaders stealing the show, so the integrity of that series is still intact.

And besides, Skinner is in fact running for points. That Bill Davis #27 (40 something in points) as you know was to be piloted by Jacques Villenueve, who flopped almost immediately. So with Villenueve removed, what was Bill to do with a new team he spent all that money on? He could close it up and take a huge financial hit, but being an under funded team, he certainly does not want that. Or he could get a proven driver he already has in house to race that car into the chosen group, get sponsorship and start over. Skinner is capable of doing that because he has raced the wheels off those trucks for years, which are very similar to these COTs. The thing is, Skinner was racing this type of platform long before any of his cup competitors. The experience is already paying off, as evidenced by his top 5 start for today's race.

[jks812]

But isn't that the same thing Kyle is doing in the truck, helping an under funded team? They( Ballew) also need that truck up in the points.
I guess what gets me, and I know some people will get upset about this, is that when Mark Martin went and ran a few of the races there last year, nobody complained about him being there for a few races and not going for the championship. They didn't talk about all that he was doing was taking their points and wins away from them. At that time they were saying it was good for the truck regulars.

[Phils20]

And also, Kyle is doing it for FREE. As in, at no pay from the team. Nor does he take any of the prize money.

I was shocked to hear that!!!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

But isn't that the same thing Kyle is doing in the truck, helping an under funded team? They( Ballew) also need that truck up in the points.
I guess what gets me, and I know some people will get upset about this, is that when Mark Martin went and ran a few of the races there last year, nobody complained about him being there for a few races and not going for the championship. They didn't talk about all that he was doing was taking their points and wins away from them. At that time they were saying it was good for the truck regulars.

It is exactly what Shrub is doing. There are a couple of differences worth noting, though.

(1) Because of the big difference in aero and design between Cup and CTS, there is little knowledge gained for the Cup driver by running CTS.
(2) CTS is NOT being inundated by an invading horde of Cup Raiders. Kyle is but one driver pulling duty in both venues, unlike Cup Lite where fully 30% of the field, each week, is made of of Cup drivers and Cup teams.

The only problem I have with full time Cup drivers running CTS was echoed by Brendan Gaughn after Kyle put him in the fence at Daytona, "He comes down here and has nothing to lose since he isn't running for the championship. He feels he can do anything on the track he wants because if he screws up, what's the loss?"

FWIW, I don't feel Skinner or Benson running the #27 is the same as the Cup Raiders taking the purse money and points away from the BGN regulars. The CTS drivers coming UP to the #27 aren't bringing any higher qualified crew members, technology or driving skills with them which puts them in a class above the Cup regulars. Therein lies the difference, IMNSVHO.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Phils20

And also, Kyle is doing it for FREE. As in, at no pay from the team. Nor does he take any of the prize money.

I was shocked to hear that!!!!

Not only does he do it for none of the money, he helps fund the 2nd truck that the guy runs.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

It is exactly what Shrub is doing. There are a couple of differences worth noting, though.

(1) Because of the big difference in aero and design between Cup and CTS, there is little knowledge gained for the Cup driver by running CTS.
(2) CTS is NOT being inundated by an invading horde of Cup Raiders. Kyle is but one driver pulling duty in both venues, unlike Cup Lite where fully 30% of the field, each week, is made of of Cup drivers and Cup teams.

The only problem I have with full time Cup drivers running CTS was echoed by Brendan Gaughn after Kyle put him in the fence at Daytona, "He comes down here and has nothing to lose since he isn't running for the championship. He feels he can do anything on the track he wants because if he screws up, what's the loss?"

FWIW, I don't feel Skinner or Benson running the #27 is the same as the Cup Raiders taking the purse money and points away from the BGN regulars. The CTS drivers coming UP to the #27 aren't bringing any higher qualified crew members, technology or driving skills with them which puts them in a class above the Cup regulars. Therein lies the difference, IMNSVHO.

I agreed with Brendan when he said that. There is no reason for that. I can pretty much agree with all you said. I can applaud Skinner for going and helping Bill Davis, just like I applaud Kyle for going and helping Ballew. They are both doing very good things, helping out struggling teams. I just feel like one shouldn't criticize the other and say he shouldn't be there cause he ain't running for a championship, when basically he's doing the same thing. Instead every time Kyle runs a truck race and loses feel proud that a truck regular beat a cup driver. Because Busch drivers no longer have that chance, which is really sad.
I'm glad cup drivers can't learn anything from running the trucks. If they could they would be done ruined the truck series like they have the busch series.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by jks812

Not only does he do it for none of the money, he helps fund the 2nd truck that the guy runs.

Even better!! Who can argue with that??