[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Phils20

You'll have to watch long enough to see the incident. They are getting ready to show it right now!!!

Looks like NASCAR coverage on Speed will repeat starting at 10:30 up here. I'll be sure to watch.

[oncea3fan]

being a bit a of Kurt fan , he felt he was done wrong and I don't have problem with him rubbing tonys car out on the trtack under caution, but once you hit pit road IT MUST STOP!, out on the track under caution the drivers are pretty well protect with the roll cages ect. but on pit road there are people walking around un protected and it's dangerous enough with out someone playing demo derby.
I hope they don't pull points before the race even starts, but he has earned a bench seat for the shootout.

I never saw the pit road part they kept cuting away just before pit road.
if he only did what they show before pit road I say let it ride.
but on pit road earn you a parking spot and zero points.

[tbalt]

He was bashing Tony's car all the way down pit road until they got to the gate heading to the garage. The punk needs parked for the shootout.

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by tbalt

He was bashing Tony's car all the way down pit road until they got to the gate heading to the garage. The punk needs parked for the shootout.

if thats the case then yes park him, that's unexecptable

[tbalt]

I think the accident was just a racing deal, but there should not have been all of that blocking going on during practice. Nobody is going to loose the practice so it is not needed. Kurt was not the only driver blocking.

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by tbalt

I think the accident was just a racing deal, but there should not have been all of that blocking going on during practice. Nobody is going to loose the practice so it is not needed. Kurt was not the only driver blocking.

Why not, they are practicing for the race and want to see what their cars are going to do, you KNOW they will be doing it during the race. I'm not blaming anybody - like you, I give it a racing deal incident, but Kurt really shouldn't have done what he did on pit road, it is dangerous to the crews, officials, etc. Kurt, you have a problem with the "chunky monkey", go get in his face, not slam into his car on pit road!!

[tbalt]

Blocking just causes the accidents that happened last night. During practice the teams are trying to check handling, tire wear and mileage not racing for position.

[3fanforever]

They just came out of the trailer, and both headed to their cars for practice. Looks like nothing's happened to Bush or Stewart at this point. They were told to "give each other plenty of room on the track." So for now, that's it. Jim Hunter gave an interview after and somebody asked him if Stewart threw a punch at Bush inside the principle's office. Jim Hunter's answer was, he won't discuss anything that goes on inside the trailer. If they're gonna do more, looks like they're putting it off till later.

[PenelopePitStop]

Well, I finally saw the entire practice session. We're in for a fun season.

Why no controversy about the Bowyer/Newman incident? Same sort of "racing deal" happened as with Stewart/Busch. Bowyer took out Newman, but nobody's ragging on Bowyer, and you didn't see Newman seek out Bowyer and smash into his car. Racing situation was the same, reactions were not.

After the crash, Busch sought out Stewart and smashed into the side of his car at least 3 times before they even got off the track, and it continued on pit lane.

Once again, Busch's behavior was totally out of line! He knew he could get away with it because it's not a points/money race, but I think he should be fined or something. I don't care what happens on the track. Nobody should EVER use their car in retaliation. EVER!!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Well, I finally saw the entire practice session. We're in for a fun season.

Why no controversy about the Bowyer/Newman incident? Same sort of "racing deal" happened as with Stewart/Busch. Bowyer took out Newman, but nobody's ragging on Bowyer, and you didn't see Newman seek out Bowyer and smash into his car. Racing situation was the same, reactions were not.

After the crash, Busch sought out Stewart and smashed into the side of his car at least 3 times before they even got off the track, and it continued on pit lane.

Once again, Busch's behavior was totally out of line! He knew he could get away with it because it's not a points/money race, but I think he should be fined or something. I don't care what happens on the track. Nobody should EVER use their car in retaliation. EVER!!

Nobody should EVER use their car in retaliation

PPS, your post, and in particular the line above, fired off a thought. And any fire in the gray matter here has to be captured and enjoyed before it fades.

Came to me that one of the "new age NASCAR" things is the choice (by drivers) anymore to do obvious and immediate road rage.

"Back in the Day" there was a lot of retaliation on track but it was not immediate, and it certainly was not so obvious. Sometimes paybacks would take weeks, maybe even months, and many times when the payback did occur it did so in such a fashion that could leave the observer with the question - "looked like nothin' more than one of those racin' things, but wonder if that actually had something to do with their run-in at Bristol in the Spring?"

Recall race last year. Andy Petree was part of broadcast team. Someone had just "tugged on Supermans cape". Another of the broadcast team mused - "Wonder if Superman will retaliate?"

Wish I could remember Petree's exact words but they were to the effect - "Oh, it'll happen eventually. And just like E Sr., with his skill it'll be done in ways that will not even let you know he did it".

Not really going anywhere with this. Sorry. Just a brain bubble.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Nobody should EVER use their car in retaliation

PPS, your post, and in particular the line above, fired off a thought. And any fire in the gray matter here has to be captured and enjoyed before it fades.

Came to me that one of the "new age NASCAR" things is the choice (by drivers) anymore to do obvious and immediate road rage.

"Back in the Day" there was a lot of retaliation on track but it was not immediate, and it certainly was not so obvious. Sometimes paybacks would take weeks, maybe even months, and many times when the payback did occur it did so in such a fashion that could leave the observer with the question - "looked like nothin' more than one of those racin' things, but wonder if that actually had something to do with their run-in at Bristol in the Spring?"

Recall race last year. Andy Petree was part of broadcast team. Someone had just "tugged on Supermans cape". Another of the broadcast team mused - "Wonder if Superman will retaliate?"

Wish I could remember Petree's exact words but they were to the effect - "Oh, it'll happen eventually. And just like E Sr., with his skill it'll be done in ways that will not even let you know he did it".

Not really going anywhere with this. Sorry. Just a brain bubble.

Nope, not a bubble at all. Actually, that really breaks down the entire episode perfectly.

If Kurt was smart enough to just lay back and get payback later, neither of the drivers would be in hot water, and he could get his payback later and not even be called out for it.

But no, he had to do even more damage to even his own car. The only thing he was right about was his alleged statement as he got out of the car and thew up his hands "What a way to start 2008".

Indeed, and I would say most of the blame goes his way. Even other drivers were saying that Kurt was blocking a faster line that Tony was leading. I know those two don't get along, but you just have to be smarter than that. Why block during practice?? Him and Newman make a heckuva team. Either one can be down 4-5 laps and still not let others pass em!!!

It is being "reported" on ESPN that Tony "might" have punched Kurt in the trailer. If so, that would explain why they are watching both. Clearly the intentional bumping was done by Kurt. And as usual, NASCAR took the gutless way out.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Nobody should EVER use their car in retaliation

PPS, your post, and in particular the line above, fired off a thought. And any fire in the gray matter here has to be captured and enjoyed before it fades.

Came to me that one of the "new age NASCAR" things is the choice (by drivers) anymore to do obvious and immediate road rage.

"Back in the Day" there was a lot of retaliation on track but it was not immediate, and it certainly was not so obvious. Sometimes paybacks would take weeks, maybe even months, and many times when the payback did occur it did so in such a fashion that could leave the observer with the question - "looked like nothin' more than one of those racin' things, but wonder if that actually had something to do with their run-in at Bristol in the Spring?"

Recall race last year. Andy Petree was part of broadcast team. Someone had just "tugged on Supermans cape". Another of the broadcast team mused - "Wonder if Superman will retaliate?"

Wish I could remember Petree's exact words but they were to the effect - "Oh, it'll happen eventually. And just like E Sr., with his skill it'll be done in ways that will not even let you know he did it".

Not really going anywhere with this. Sorry. Just a brain bubble.

You're right. Road rage. And I do remember a few years ago there was an incident where "they" speculated if it was in retaliation for another incident earlier in the year. I have no clue who it was, but the so-called rivalry went on for the entire season.

Sure, drivers retaliate on the track sometimes. Using your car in retaliation while racing is one thing. But, I still don't think it's right. This isn't the first time Busch has retaliated under caution. Blatantly.

What he did in practice was unacceptable, but what he did last year in the pits borders on criminal. It was at that point that I lost what little respect I had for him.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Nope, not a bubble at all. Actually, that really breaks down the entire episode perfectly.

If Kurt was smart enough to just lay back and get payback later, neither of the drivers would be in hot water, and he could get his payback later and not even be called out for it.

But no, he had to do even more damage to even his own car. The only thing he was right about was his alleged statement as he got out of the car and thew up his hands "What a way to start 2008".

Indeed, and I would say most of the blame goes his way. Even other drivers were saying that Kurt was blocking a faster line that Tony was leading. I know those two don't get along, but you just have to be smarter than that. Why block during practice?? Him and Newman make a heckuva team. Either one can be down 4-5 laps and still not let others pass em!!!

It is being "reported" on ESPN that Tony "might" have punched Kurt in the trailer. If so, that would explain why they are watching both. Clearly the intentional bumping was done by Kurt. And as usual, NASCAR took the gutless way out.

I don't think Kurt is a "lay back" kind of guy.

Kurt was a maniac during the entire practice. Did you happen to catch when he got a run from the top of the track, went flying to the bottom, and went far below the yellow line? He passed two cars when he did it, but it was a crazy move.

Tony's no angel, but I do hope that he did punch Kurt. Not that it was a smart move, but Jimmy Spencer would be proud.

[STPer]

I'm just glad that NASCASH is at least letting drivers get after each other in the garage area. Kurt should keep it there.

[bears9]

Kurt is just like Kyle, reckless with a temper. If him and Stewart get close to each other tonight or next Sunday it could be trouble.