[NascarRacer56]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Yates may be a bit lacking in certain areas, but they still have one of the best engine shops in the sport. Roush needs the Yates power. Yates will survive if for no other reason than that.

But couldn't Roush just buy the team to get the engine shop?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by NascarRacer56

But couldn't Roush just buy the team to get the engine shop?

I think Yates Racing has such a history in NASCAR that NA__AR will try and do whatever it takes to keep the organization (and Ford) afloat. Even if it means looking the other way while they become Roush's 5th, 6th and 7th teams.

But that's just an opinion.

[wingkey1]

Wonder at times if perhaps just as soon as all/most of the sports cornerstone owners are not even capable of hiding within the protection of the "35", the "35" thing doesn't disappear or change significantly, somewhat soon thereafter. Yates feels to hide here of late. Looking at their testing results at both Daytona and now Phoenix, and the disgusting whining of late by Dougie boy, they could well be out from under this umbrella soon.

Have here favored the "35" as a means to give the struggling cornerstones a chance to get their feet back under them. "Liked" it for Yates, Petty, etc., for a time, but when it becomes obvious they have become their own worst enemy - remove the umbrella and let them realize the death that has already occurred.

Favored it also as a means to filter out the chaff, set up the first hurdle if you will, and to test the newbies to determine if they were both aggressive and committed. Sauter/Haas impressed here. Out of the "35" to start last year, they poked through and showed staying power. CAT/22 team another. Hate it when teams like/similar to this bang away to earn their way in, then get knocked out by some road course "ringer" (and associated owner/team) that is/are either so far out of "in", or have no intention or commitment towards the entirety/integrity of the season. That causes bother here. Protect those who are clearly making the effort and deserve the "under the wire" temporary safety.

We take care here to try and remember that the owners at the top do not need the "35". When we focus on the top owners, and should we feel/develop the desire to have them miss a race or two (via the elimination of the "35"), we forget those who may truly need and deserve its' protection - but only for a time. "Only for a time" meaning ya kinda got to be careful not to build a lucrative welfare system and watch the "live within it" culture grow and consume the planet with their mediocrity. Maybe there is clue within this as to why "25" is our current favored number. Before anyone asks - "why 25?" - cause when we threw our darts at our convulted dart board, that was the number.

Anybody lost yet? No. Dang, yer good, cause we are.

OK back to - Will Yates Survive? Current apparent path/results say - No.

We will be unhappy to see what we believe to be one of our cornerstones die. However, this cornerstone is beginning to look a lot like an anchor.

Even their engines are sub-par in testing to date. Even Dougie says so.

[Bob Tanner]

Folks, doesn't it tell you something when probably 40% (that's just a SWAG, not factual) of all the thread we have in this forum, dealing with teams, rules, failure and success... when 40% of those threads end up discussing The Chosen 35 Rule?

I would imagine one could think of Rules NA__AR has implemented which are as inane and inequitable as The Chosen 35 Rule but they are very few and far between.

In fact the most odorous one I can think of was the former points system where a driver was awarded points based upon the money won from the race purse, multiplied by the number of races started, and that figure divided by 1000 would determine the number of points earned. (NO. I am NOT kidding. That is the points system which was used in 1974, prior to the new point system devised by Bob Latford)

The fans didn't particularly care because no one really got their thongs in a wad over the Championship back then. But the drivers almost walked out over the deal and NA__AR changed it the following year.

Bottom LIne: NASCAR, Change the Damn Rule!

[wingkey1]

Yer right. In the face of the following, the 35 don't look so bad - In fact the most odorous one I can think of was the former points system where a driver was awarded points based upon the money won from the race purse, multiplied by the number of races started, and that figure divided by 1000 would determine the number of points earned. (NO. I am NOT kidding. That is the points system which was used in 1974, prior to the new point system devised by Bob Latford)

[Bob Tanner]

I found this on Jayski this morning:
"Sponsor for Gilliland? It appears that Yates Racing has signed its first sponsor. Freecreditreport.com is expected to sponsor #38-David Gilliland for the first six races of the season.(FoxSports)(1-30-200 Comment here"

It's progress, I guess. However, I still doubt the lasting value of any sponsor with "dot com" in their corporate name. Money's money, I guess. However, I believe some money is better than others.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I found this on Jayski this morning:
"Sponsor for Gilliland? It appears that Yates Racing has signed its first sponsor. Freecreditreport.com is expected to sponsor #38-David Gilliland for the first six races of the season.(FoxSports)(1-30-200 Comment here"

It's progress, I guess. However, I still doubt the lasting value of any sponsor with "dot com" in their corporate name. Money's money, I guess. However, I believe some money is better than others.

I think they'll be around awhile. Who was it they sponsored last year, I can't remember. But I remember seeing the stupid commercials with that girl and guy cheerleading.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

I think they'll be around awhile. Who was it they sponsored last year, I can't remember. But I remember seeing the stupid commercials with that girl and guy cheerleading.

same guy .. Gilliland

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

same guy .. Gilliland

Gee I just feel so bright now. I couldn't even get close to knowing who it was.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

Gee I just feel so bright now. I couldn't even get close to knowing who it was.

I couldn't either until you mentioned the commercials .. then I remembered when they first started I was thinking:

"Hmmm. A first year driver and already making TV commercials - the boy's gonna go far!"

[NascarRacer56]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Folks, doesn't it tell you something when probably 40% (that's just a SWAG, not factual) of all the thread we have in this forum, dealing with teams, rules, failure and success... when 40% of those threads end up discussing The Chosen 35 Rule?

Bottom LIne: NASCAR, Change the Damn Rule!

That is, without a doubt, the worst rule in NASCAR.........at the moment.

It's as stupid as that 25/8 rule that they tried at Indy a few years ago.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by NascarRacer56

That is, without a doubt, the worst rule in NASCAR.........at the moment.

It's as stupid as that 25/8 rule that they tried at Indy a few years ago.

The 25/8 Rule was set up so that the CART prima donnas wouldn't overrun the new IRL. That one was for self preservation, not to give welfare to sponsors and certain teams. I back T.G. on that one.

[NascarRacer56]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The 25/8 Rule was set up so that the CART prima donnas wouldn't overrun the new IRL. That one was for self preservation, not to give welfare to sponsors and certain teams. I back T.G. on that one.

I am a fan of the IRL, so no argument there.

I just don't like to see spots set aside like that.

But that's another story.