[Bob Tanner]

As many of you know, I listen to the NASCAR Channel on SIRIUS radio and have done so since 1/1/07 when they first went on the air. I have related many thing here which I first heard on SIRIUS. I enjoyed it because, for the most part it was good objective commentary on most things NASCAR.

The Line up was
0600 cst - 1000: David Poole and Marty Snyder
David is a reporter for a NC newspaper and Marty is an announcer for TNT, ESPN and ABC. Good discussions
1000 - 1400: John Cernin and guests (Buddy baker, Ricky Craven, John Andretti to name a few.
John is affiliated with PRN and the guests brought experiences and knowledge with them. Once more, entertaining and good discussion
1400 - 1800 Dave Moody.
Dave is a MRN announcer (MRN is owned by ISC) and unabashedly states his loyalty is to NASCAR. It is very rare that he ever says anything which differs from the NASCAR company line.

The first if the year SIRIUS changed the line up. Now it's David Poole and Mike Bagley in the a.m. Bagley is an MRN announcer.
Mid day is Steve Post (another MRN announcer) and Chocolate Meyers. Both are sickeningly loyal to NA__AR and callers with differing opinions don't get far.
Moody is unchanged and remains SIRIUS's major NASCAR-hugger.

If you are thinking about getting a SIRIUS for in-depth and objective NA__ARE coverage, you might want to save your money. If you want one to listen to Cup qualifying and all the Cup, BGN and CTS races live, then go for it.

But the ONLY objectivity you'll find today on SIRIUS is David Poole and I think his days might be numbered.

Just a warning.

[Racer Duck]

I used to listen to the NASCAR Channel when it was on XM Radio. Just about the time I was getting it all organized in my mind, NASCAR switched horses to Sirius. Couldn't see a reason to dump a perfectly good radio just for NASCAR .. that was back in '04-'05, I think.

I really liked getting MRN just about anywhere on the local AM/FM channels in the South. I really miss it here in Texas.

But now the internet is almost as good so I'm sticking with it .. for now.

[Phils20]

I noticed the names of the shows had changed. I am also wondering what happened to John Kernan. I liked hearing him since he often related some NHRA info as well. I haven't been listening as much with the NFL playoffs here, and I must say what i have heard hasn't held much of my interest.

At least I can still get the Cup and "Nationwide" series races on there.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I used to listen to the NASCAR Channel when it was on XM Radio. Just about the time I was getting it all organized in my mind, NASCAR switched horses to Sirius. Couldn't see a reason to dump a perfectly good radio just for NASCAR .. that was back in '04-'05, I think.

I really liked getting MRN just about anywhere on the local AM/FM channels in the South. I really miss it here in Texas.

But now the internet is almost as good so I'm sticking with it .. for now.

Clare B. absolutely ruined the XM NASCAR channel. At first I thought that it was just me, but after Farley left it was evident that the lady was incapable of uttering a personal opinion on anything related to NA__AR.

Unfortunately the internet as a vehicle for NA__AR knowledge is a bit impractical for me at the present. I'm pretty much stuck with SIRIUS but after around January 20th of next year SIRIUS will become an option as I'll probably be fully retired and not semi-retired.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Phils20

I noticed the names of the shows had changed. I am also wondering what happened to John Kernan. I liked hearing him since he often related some NHRA info as well. I haven't been listening as much with the NFL playoffs here, and I must say what i have heard hasn't held much of my interest.

At least I can still get the Cup and "Nationwide" series races on there.

I fear that NA__AR has mandated to SIRIUS that its NASCAR channel will be pure and never will be heard a discouraging word, IRT NA__AR.

For example: On their first anniversary show on 1/1 they talked to DW. David asked DW, "It seems that you aren't a favourite of the new car, DW. Care to explain why?" DW then began a statement about doubt that the car would allow the drivers to put on a good show. After one good point made in his opinion, Mike Bagley jumped in and immediately changed the subject asking the "hardball" question, "Tell us, DW, how was your Christmas?"

Friday morning they talked to Ken Squier. Squier asked Poole a question, : NASCAR's ratings are sinking and many people seem dissatisfied with lately. What do you think NASCAR is missing?" Once more, Bagley jumped in, cut the question short and announced, "We're up against a hard break now (it was six minutes before the hour? 'Hard breaks' come, in radio, at the half hour and top of the hour.). It was great talking to you, Ken, Good bye."

(Squier's question is one I've been thinking about and will probably pose to our group here later on today)

NA__AR's offspring MRN will surely turn a very good racing channel into an audio version of a NA__AR-related version of People magazine. It's a damn shame!

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It may not be correct in saying that NASCAR is a monopoly but it seems like they are turning in that direction. We are the only game in town and we'll do it our way and if you want to be a part of us (SIRIUS) you'll play by our rules.

It would seem possible that those in command may see the decline of the sport and wish to cease as much of the negativity as possible. No matter how they sugar coat it the fact remains that there are many dissatisfied fans amongst us and until that changes we will find ways to air our complaints.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I fear that NA__AR has mandated to SIRIUS that its NASCAR channel will be pure and never will be heard a discouraging word, IRT NA__AR.

For example: On their first anniversary show on 1/1 they talked to DW. David asked DW, "It seems that you aren't a favourite of the new car, DW. Care to explain why?" DW then began a statement about doubt that the car would allow the drivers to put on a good show. After one good point made in his opinion, Mike Bagley jumped in and immediately changed the subject asking the "hardball" question, "Tell us, DW, how was your Christmas?"

Friday morning they talked to Ken Squier. Squier asked Poole a question, : NASCAR's ratings are sinking and many people seem dissatisfied with lately. What do you think NASCAR is missing?" Once more, Bagley jumped in, cut the question short and announced, "We're up against a hard break now (it was six minutes before the hour? 'Hard breaks' come, in radio, at the half hour and top of the hour.). It was great talking to you, Ken, Good bye."

(Squier's question is one I've been thinking about and will probably pose to our group here later on today)

NA__AR's offspring MRN will surely turn a very good racing channel into an audio version of a NA__AR-related version of People magazine. It's a damn shame!

Well, when folks show they are too smart to listen to propaganda, the Shows will suffer. There are a ton of other channels to listen to on Sirius. I'll just be listening to Buzzsaw, Octane, and the many other sports and music channels they offer. The NFL talk is still great, and being able to check out every football game is great as well.

I'm sure the answer from NASCAR will be that we are just not smart enough to handle the truth, and that all is well. But we know better!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Well, when folks show they are too smart to listen to propaganda, the Shows will suffer. There are a ton of other channels to listen to on Sirius. I'll just be listening to Buzzsaw, Octane, and the many other sports and music channels they offer. The NFL talk is still great, and being able to check out every football game is great as well.

I'm sure the answer from NASCAR will be that we are just not smart enough to handle the truth, and that all is well. But we know better!

Since I became a moderator here, I've spent a lot of time roaming the web in search of NASCAR related stuff, sometimes verifying a post and other times running down rabbit trails. One thing I've found to be universally true: the folks on the web are almost in one accord that the current administration in Daytona Beach has seriously injured NASCAR. Their voice, though not part of the "controlled" media, is getting stronger and that worries NASCAR.

Unfortunately, only a Bruton Smith (SMI) has the power to reverse the trend. The Achilles Heel of NASCAR is ISC. Being publicly traded brings them under the scrutiny of the SEC. As long as Bruton stays a part of the NASCAR family of tracks, the folks in Daytona Beach are breathing easier. But Bruton owes no allegiance to NASCAR and, should the whim hit him, he could just as easily be the instrument of their fall.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Since I became a moderator here, I've spent a lot of time roaming the web in search of NASCAR related stuff, sometimes verifying a post and other times running down rabbit trails. One thing I've found to be universally true: the folks on the web are almost in one accord that the current administration in Daytona Beach has seriously injured NASCAR. Their voice, though not part of the "controlled" media, is getting stronger and that worries NASCAR.

Unfortunately, only a Bruton Smith (SMI) has the power to reverse the trend. The Achilles Heel of NASCAR is ISC. Being publicly traded brings them under the scrutiny of the SEC. As long as Bruton stays a part of the NASCAR family of tracks, the folks in Daytona Beach are breathing easier. But Bruton owes no allegiance to NASCAR and, should the whim hit him, he could just as easily be the instrument of their fall.

How ironic would it be if Olin Bruton Smith were to be the downfall of NA__AR? Many don't know that he was one of the first to have a sanctioning body to run racing in the South. (NSCRA - National Stock Car racing Assoc) In 1949 he and Bill Sr. were in a tussle for the same drivers and same track dates. If Bill Sr. wouldn't have snookered Bruton with that first "Strictly Stock" 150 miler at Charelotte in 1949, we might be complaining about the way bruton runs NSCRA today instead of discussing Brian and NA__AR?

You're correct. Other than his partnership with ISC in NASCAR Authentics, I don't see much love between Bruton and NASCAR. In fact I find it odd how Bruton suddenly became a NA__AR partner about the exact same time he dropped the lawsuit for a date at Texas and NA__AR caved in? Odd timing.

[NASCAR Gnome]

My objective when listening to SIRIUS is pure and simple: entertainment! Dave Moody makes me laugh out loud so listen to him, not because he's a hand puppet for NASCAR - I just don't see why there's so much loathing here for a dedicated station to the sport everyone "supposedly" loves!

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Originally Posted by NASCAR Gnome

My objective when listening to SIRIUS is pure and simple: entertainment! Dave Moody makes me laugh out loud so listen to him, not because he's a hand puppet for NASCAR - I just don't see why there's so much loathing here for a dedicated station to the sport everyone "supposedly" loves!

It would seem simple enough but I do understand where you are coming from. Many people are refusing to watch NASCAR anymore because of the current state it is in. I watch it for the racing. Pure and simple. I don't care who wins as long as it is a good race. By saying good I mean that it wasn't lead from lap 1 to the end by the same driver. By good I want to see passing, lead changes, troubles and crew people with feelings and expressions ... of their own. I believe that is what Bob is saying about SIRIUS. They are not at free will to express their own views, but those of NASCAR. It's like controlled radio in a dictator lead country.

(Brian a dictator .... interesting !!!)

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by NASCAR Gnome

My objective when listening to SIRIUS is pure and simple: entertainment! Dave Moody makes me laugh out loud so listen to him, not because he's a hand puppet for NASCAR - I just don't see why there's so much loathing here for a dedicated station to the sport everyone "supposedly" loves!

If you like what Moody offers, that's OK. He obviously appeals to a lot of people. But, like liver, it ain't for everyone.

I'll detail my problems with the "Pit Lane" show, Moody and his crew:
1. I find shows like Moody's boring. I prefer objective discussion and serious debate. Dave offers none of that. His show is like an infor-mercial. If I want to hear some company's [NA__AR's] party line, I'll stay up and watch TV from 0100 to 0500.
2. He panders to his chosen few "serial callers." (William from Mississippi, Oink, Jan, Sue, to name just a few) He has these on-going semi-personal discussions with his favourites who usually offer little except ingratiating platitudes to Dave and smarmy and flirtatious come-ons to Suzy Q. The there's his producer, Ryan Horne. If anyone ever painted a picture of "obsequious," they'd paint Ryan.

In the past I've flipped over to "Pit Lane," and Moody was in the middle of one of his personal little conversations with one of the regular callers. It felt as though I'd picked up a telephone on a party line and I was overhearing a private discussion. That just ain't my bag.

Now, don't get me wrong. These are the reasons that I, Bob Tanner, find Dave Moody wanting. But that doesn't make me right. If you like his show, that's great. If we all liked the same thing it'd be a really boring world.

FYI, I do not, nor, to the best of my knowledge, have ever said I "Love" NASCAR. I do not. "Love" is an emotion I reserve for my family, my country and freedom. I "like" automobile racing in general and stock car racing in particular, and that, unfortunately, is no longer to be confused with NA__AR.

[oncea3fan]

this is an on-tim e thread if I ever saw one!!!!

I was just looking at Sirius at wallyworld on saterday. I am want just that a racing discussion radio show to listen to at work, but I want real 2 or more sided discussions not kiss nascar butt stuff.

this atleast gives me some insight for futher review before plunking down my hard earned cash.

thanks!

[Phils20]

Well, there is still a TON of great programming on Sirius. And you get he Bush and Truck races on there, just in case you find yourself at work during some of those. I never listen to the regular radio anymore. As much as I love racing, that wasn't even a factor when I bought it.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

this is an on-tim e thread if I ever saw one!!!!

I was just looking at Sirius at wallyworld on saterday. I am want just that a racing discussion radio show to listen to at work, but I want real 2 or more sided discussions not kiss nascar butt stuff.

this atleast gives me some insight for futher review before plunking down my hard earned cash.

thanks!

Please don't take my obviously slanted viewpoint as a reason to not enjoy satellite radio. I've related the way I've seen the NA__AR Channel go downhill, but you will hear news break even before it hits Jayski.

Also please remember my viewpoint is really biased. I'm strictly a nuts&bolts kind of guy who cares less about any individual driver. Even if the discussion portion bores you, as it does me, you still have live coverage of all three series' races plus qualifying for all Cup and some Cup Lite and CTS races.

satellite radio has some good programing. As Phil states it has a whole lot of music (and the music programing is 100 commercial free! Well, that's not quite true. They do promote the sat elite programing but it's not too intrusive)

My particular receiver has 30 pre sets but I only have a few set to music (Sinatra channel, 50's, 60's 70's, classic vinyl and classical). The rest I have set to either (probably a big surprise here!) news or political and financial talk channels. (and NA__AR)

If you spend any length of time behind the wheel or if the banality TV has finally gotten to you, satellite radio is a very good option, NA__AR or not, IMHO.