[clutch]

I dont like the fact Nascar has let them do this.......I know there has been talk of it for months but it surely maks it even harder for those small teams outside the top 35

from Jayski
NASCAR permits Penske to swap owners points between Busch, Hornish: NASCAR has approved Penske Racing's request to transfer the owner points from #2-Kurt Busch to #77-Sam Hornish Jr., a move that locks the three-time IndyCar Series champion into the first five races of next season. Hornish publicly thanked Busch for giving him the points at the Penske holiday party on Friday night. Bud Denker, senior vice president of Penske Corp., confirmed Saturday that the team would swap the points with NASCAR's approval. Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president of competition, said the sanctioning body had signed off on the transfer. "This would obviously help Sam as he prepares to run the first five races instead of prepares to qualify for the first five races," Denker said. "With a champion like Kurt Busch and the opportunity to utilize (the points), anyone would be foolish to not take care of the situation." Hornish, a former Indianapolis 500 winner, is leaving that series for NASCAR next season. But his #77 Dodge won't be one of the 35 cars locked into the first five races of the year. As the 2004 series champion, Busch has a provisional position that he could fall back on should he fail to qualify on speed.(ESPN.com/AP)(12-15-2007)

[Quality88]

Yeah, that's crap. Would serve them right if Busch wrecks durin qualifying and uses all his provisionals, only to have a piss poor year and miss a bunch of races.

[Phils20]

I don't like it either. Just a scam to get Hornish into races. The deal with DEI getting those points last year was bad enough, but this just seems kinda sleazy!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Yeah, that's crap. Would serve them right if Busch wrecks durin qualifying and uses all his provisionals, only to have a piss poor year and miss a bunch of races.

From a pure sense of what's right and what's wrong, I think it stinks. Manipulation of the law has never been a big thing with me.

However, if I were The Rajah, I jump on this loophole quicker than white on rice. Kurt would immediately become Sam's bestest buddy.

[wardfan]

Yeh, trading the points stink but can't blame them for using the rules. Just another example of why the top 35 needs to go

[Racer Duck]

ok, the motion is made by wardfan to do away with top 35 rule with at least a dozen seconds.

all in favor of doing away with the top 35 rule raise your hands


[delay while counting hands .. (I see two heads but 4 hands .. what's going on?) .. six, seven, eight.....]


all opposed

[hmmmm .. that was easy]
motion carried .. unanimously!


any other new business?

no?

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled commentin', *****in' 'n' jokin' around....

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

ok, the motion is made by wardfan to do away with top 35 rule with at least a dozen seconds.

all in favor of doing away with the top 35 rule raise your hands


[delay while counting hands .. (I see two heads but 4 hands .. what's going on?) .. six, seven, eight.....]


all opposed

[hmmmm .. that was easy]
motion carried .. unanimously!


any other new business?

no?

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled commentin', *****in' 'n' jokin' around....

jokin around? when did we start that and why wasn't I informed we could

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Quality88

jokin around? when did we start that and why wasn't I informed we could

I thought it was in the by-laws....

well, it it ain't it oughta be!!!

[Bob Tanner]

Can I tell you why I think this particular deal STINKS? It smells even worst than the way Mikey has manipulated the system for MWR's benefit at least three times in the past year.

The #77 gets a free ride the first five races. If Kurt messes up in qualifying he gets a free pass, thus sending a Non-Chosen driver home.

The free ride the #77 is getting, thus possibility sending a Non Chosen driver home is a pass given to a team which didn't even exit last season and to a driver who competed in only two races (I believe it was) last season?

The fact that "fair" is where you ride the ferris wheel aside, can someone explain to this poor old country boy what the Hell is "fair" with this deal?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Can I tell you why I think this particular deal STINKS?

Bob, you know you don't have to ask permission to tell us your thought and ideas on a subject. Just blast away. We love your thoughts

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The free ride the #77 is getting, thus possibility sending a Non Chosen driver home is a pass given to a team which didn't even exit last season and to a driver who competed in only two races (I believe it was) last season?

That's also my biggest problem with it. I think as a new team it should have to start like all the other new teams, with 0 points. I think it's wrong for a new team to be able to start the season with guranteed spots.

[Racer Duck]

uh, hey folks .. remember this is NA$CAR we're talking about. Do any of you ever remember a time when NA$CAR was fair

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

That's also my biggest problem with it. I think as a new team it should have to start like all the other new teams, with 0 points. I think it's wrong for a new team to be able to start the season with guaranteed spots.

So how would Jr fit into that scenario ??

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So how would Jr fit into that scenario ??

I think with Jr. you can make the case it's an existing team with a new driver, crew chief and car number....

But, Hornish did try to qualify for multiple races during 2007 (not the only big name to not qualify ), and started 2 (he has 125 driver points for his efforts at Phoenix & Homestead.) Plus Penske (Walter Czarnecki) received 278 Owner Points for the #06, putting him 51st. Hardly a startup with zero experience or points.

I believe NASCAR felt that if the car owner (Penske) wanted to put his #1 driver in jeopardy for the benefit of his #3 driver, so be it. It's essentially the same as swapping car numbers without all the hassle of affecting souvenirs and sponsors contracts.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

uh, hey folks .. remember this is NA$CAR we're talking about. Do any of you ever remember a time when NA$CAR was fair

Actually I don't personally remember it, Your Duckyness, but I can cite you a date: 6/19/49. That way the day NASCAR disallowed Glenn Dunnaway's win in the first NASCAR points race because he cheated and was running extra leafs in his rear springs. THAT, IMNSVHO was an example of "fairness."

Fair??? NA__AR and "fair," reminds me of our Imperial Federal Government and "border control." They talk and talk, and promise to do something about it but never really do anything meaningful.

I fear, Charlie, that as far as today's NA__AR is concerned, "Fair" is where you go to ride the ferris wheel.