[PettyBlue]

If I don't like the rules or the way you play I will take my ball and go home,lol. That's Racin' | 11/11/2007 | Take this rule and shove it, Kyle Busch says at short track, I ain't racin' here no more

[clutch]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

If I don't like the rules or the way you play I will take my ball and go home,lol. That's Racin' | 11/11/2007 | Take this rule and shove it, Kyle Busch says at short track, I ain't racin' here no more

...you start at the rear.......work your way up to second ........someone else tries to wreck you, bringing out a caution...........and your sent to the rear again........mmmm.....

While I'm obviously in the minority, I like his attitude .......
to create positive change , some of us have to make a stand

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by clutch

...you start at the rear.......work your way up to second ........someone else tries to wreck you, bringing out a caution...........and your sent to the rear again........mmmm.....

While I'm obviously in the minority, I like his attitude .......
to create positive change , some of us have to make a stand

I never liked the "all involved" rule, but considering how most tracks don't have enough well trained officials and they only get it right half of the time, it's better than when they try to pick the driver at fault.

[jks812]

That does seem like a stupid rule and I don't blame him. Don't think it has nothing to do with him not growing up.

[PettyBlue]

Do you think he and/or his team/crew knew the track rules before deciding to make his grand apperance to the low mass fans at a small track?

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Do you think he and/or his team/crew knew the track rules before deciding to make his grand apperance to the low mass fans at a small track?

Since that is where he is from, Vegas, I'm sure he definately knows the rules, and most of the competitors as well. I'm wondering if maybe a little jealousy/envy wasn't going on among his rivals.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Since that is where he is from, Vegas, I'm sure he definately knows the rules, and most of the competitors as well. I'm wondering if maybe a little jealousy/envy wasn't going on among his rivals.

from the way the article was written, Kyle was taken out by the 2nd place car, probably as he was passing the guy. there's lots of short track heroes that never make it in the big leagues because they can't stand to have someone pass them clean (a challenge to their manhood or something???). rather than going to the back, the local guy (who I'm sure knew the rules) hung in the front as long as Kyle did, probably trying to make a statement how he and Kyle were equals or something of the sort.

To his credit, Kyle chose to walk (ride?) away rather than get into a fender banging duel with the other guy 'cause he knew he could take the guy out in a flash but would suffer from a lot of bad guy press, especially if he stuck around for media questions... credit Ricky Wauters on keeping his driver cool.

[PettyBlue]

Now how many times have I read here how small track fan's feel cheated by big track stars?Which way is it?Big star come's to small track to put on a show and sell tickets at the little tracks,or quit's and run's home when things do not go his way and you seem to be fine with it.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I never liked the "all involved" rule, but considering how most tracks don't have enough well trained officials and they only get it right half of the time, it's better than when they try to pick the driver at fault.

Couple good insider view points in the above post. "All involved" - is at times also known as a "no call, DOT" (dead on track) where neither driver was seen by the majority of judges witnessing the incident as having been clearly at fault for the incident. In that case, both went to rear. While undesireable, it happens.

"Well trained officials" - at most of the local tracks, this indeed is commonplace. Local tracks would love to have folks drop by, invest the time to learn, and be counted upon and competent regulars in these positions. Unfortunately the majority of todays "fans" refuse to venture 50' from their kitchen refridge and refuse to invest the time to learn from experience that which they would have some believe they know OH SO MUCH ABOUT.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Now how many times have I read here how small track fan's feel cheated by big track stars?Which way is it?Big star come's to small track to put on a show and sell tickets at the little tracks,or quit's and run's home when things do not go his way and you seem to be fine with it.

I can tell by the tone of your posts that you're not a Kyle Busch fan, and that's fine. I wouldn't call myself a Kyle Busch fan either, but I find myself rooting for him more than I root against him. mostly, I look for good clean racing and root for the driver I believe is racing the hardest and cleanest.

week end and week out Shrub is the racer that seems to be racing the hardest and I have NOT seen him using the chrome horn to get thru the field. yeah, he probably pushes the envelope too much at times, and pays the price when he does. and I'd prefer he learn how to control his emotions when he's got a mike in his face. but when he steps into the race car, he's focused on winning .. and he hates to loose .. nothing wrong with that. at least he's not a points racer content to ride around and collect a check for not doing anything.

I've had previous experience with big name stars coming to the local track to sell tickets and put on a show. problem is the particular big name star that came to our little track had some sort of problem .. he literally pushed his way thru the field, wrecking cars as he went. completely uncalled for since he had the best car on the track and was racing guys who were not as skilled as he. I wasn't the only fan who went home that evening with a bad taste in my mouth over the spectacle. I've never liked that driver since.

in Shrub's case, he started last in his personal car and, by the news account, raced a good race and worked his way thru the field (cleanly.) it was unfortunate that a local driver chose to wreck him. faced with having to restart next to the driver who wrecked him, he chose to limit his losses and retire since he had no chance to win and could only look forward to more damage from the other driver. the other driver was able to only gain 2 positions in the remainder of the race, which told me there weren't many laps left anyway.

to me, the fans got their money's worth from Shrub: they saw him start in the back of the field and race to the front. so, yes, I'm fine with that.

I'm sure, had not Richie Wauters (his CTS crew chief) been there, it would have gotten much uglier 'cause I don't think Shrub is the kind of guy to back down. I credit Richie with keeping a lid on the whole thing and forcing the media to speculate on his reasons for retiring early rather than documenting a wreck-fest.

[oncea3fan]

well it doesn't really tell what happened, if kyle was turned and stopped on the track, then he should go to the rear, if he turned a 360 and kept going only losing a few spots then he should have kept that spot.

I think kyle may have actually did the grown up thing by parking it rather then tearing up more equipment, and/or futher comotion.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

in Shrub's case, he started last in his personal car and, by the news account, raced a good race and worked his way thru the field (cleanly.) it was unfortunate that a local driver chose to wreck him. faced with having to restart next to the driver who wrecked him, he chose to limit his losses and retire since he had no chance to win and could only look forward to more damage from the other driver. the other driver was able to only gain 2 positions in the remainder of the race, which told me there weren't many laps left anyway.

The wreck happened on lap 96 of a 150 lap race. There was still plenty of laps left. Since Kyle was credited with 19th, I assume that was how many cars were on the track when he exited. It seems to me he would have had plenty of time to work his way back up to a decent finish with such a small field. I would have been disappointed if I had been a fan there and not see him at least try.

[NASCAR Gnome]

Dude was in the Friday Truck race... and wins it!

He was in the Saturday Busch race... and wins that too!

The same fellow who practiced, qualified and raced in the CTS also practiced, qualified and raced in the NBS, ALSO practiced and qualified for NNC hops on a plane to go to some UNKNOWN small track, well, probably because he WANTED to do it because I think that a man of his stature in the racing community doesn't HAVE to do this type of thing!

Is he entitled to special privileges at that small track? In fairness to everyone, of course not, he's not entitled to any kind of special treatment, but perhaps given the SPIRIT of the issue and the great lengths this guy went through to get there to make the locals happy, an ULTIMATUM of either go to the back or LEAVE is probably not a smart thing to do when he gets into a scrape!

Honestly, if this were me, I'd have done the same thing! I would think of all the things I have going and the last thought I would have when I was packing up to leave is: "I don't need this!"

Immature? I don't think so... upset more likely!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

The wreck happened on lap 96 of a 150 lap race. There was still plenty of laps left. Since Kyle was credited with 19th, I assume that was how many cars were on the track when he exited. It seems to me he would have had plenty of time to work his way back up to a decent finish with such a small field. I would have been disappointed if I had been a fan there and not see him at least try.

I missed that part .. I surmised by Kyle's finishing position and the fact that the other guy only gained 2 spots, there weren't many laps left. You're right, Kyle probably should have raced some more, mostly because this was a race he had been looking forward to (they mentioned at the CTS race he'd been spending a lot of time working on his car getting it ready). I suspect the true culprit is Kyle's not yet being able to control his "competitive" juices and Wauters, being the pro that he is, talked him into walking away before things got nasty. Unfortunately, he was in a no-win situation.

[Quality88]

I would have to say ) even though I'm not a huge fan of his.... Kyle did the smart thing and stayed away before he caused bigger trouble.