[PettyBlue]

After reading the link you decide if he does or not.I have made mine. NASCAR.COM - France pleased with Chase format after '07 changes - Nov 9, 2007

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

After reading the link you decide if he does or not.I have made mine. NASCAR.COM - France pleased with Chase format after '07 changes - Nov 9, 2007

From a business/media hype point of view, he's absolutely right.

However, since I, personally, don't watch NA__AR as a business venture, and since I have almost total dispathy for the media types who try to sensationalize every aspect of the sport and continue to attempt to equate the sport to stick&ball, I...

Well, let's just say I wonder what type of an operation it will take to get Brian France's cranium out of his over-sized and over-used rectum?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

From a business/media hype point of view, he's absolutely right.

However, since I, personally, don't watch NA__AR as a business venture, and since I have almost total dispathy for the media types who try to sensationalize every aspect of the sport and continue to attempt to equate the sport to stick&ball, I...

Well, let's just say I wonder what type of an operation it will take to get Brian France's cranium out of his over-sized and over-used rectum?

Right again Bob. Apparently the only success NA$CAR can have in Brian's eyes is financial success. I suspect that is in fact happening but not to the liking of many race fans.

For a long time I have blamed some of the change in NA$CAR on the media. It is more about celebrities than it is racing. I think the perfect example of that is CTS. No where near the notoriety for those drivers compared to the glitzy cup boys.

Since Brian and company aren't checking in with us, I guess they'll never know exactly what is wrong with their game.

[simple simon]

ill be honest, i lightly scanned the story ... here's what stood out to me

JG is worried about his legacy .... he wants to be regarded as the best to ever strap in to a car ..... and he is worried that may not happen

"The points are whatever NASCAR decides when it comes to racing for a championship. The one issue that I've got is that there is no way you can write history or compare history if they are constantly changing it. There's no way you can compare a champion back before the Chase started [to one now], and there's no way you can compare a driver in the Chase when they're constantly make changes. That makes it hard to write history."

seems to me he is whining he may not win another championship ..... is this a preemptive strike by JG ...... 'well its not my fault i dont appear as good as The King and Dale Sr. .. they changed the rules'

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ill be honest, i lightly scanned the story ... here's what stood out to me

JG is worried about his legacy .... he wants to be regarded as the best to ever strap in to a car ..... and he is worried that may not happen


seems to me he is whining he may not win another championship ..... is this a preemptive strike by JG ...... 'well its not my fault i dont appear as good as The King and Dale Sr. .. they changed the rules'

Wow! THANK YOU, Simon!!! I missed that slant completely.

I could go on a world-class rant here... NASCAR vs. NA__AR
Stock-appearing car vs. "race cars"
Driving to win vs. "Big picture racing
Mechanics with ingenuity vs. college trained engineers
Driving without power steering and cool suits vs driving with...

But I won't.

Note to drivers concerned with legacies:

Legacy???!!! Go out and depend on racing hard to get your reputation, not points race, and concern about how much merchandise with your name or your sponsor's logo on it, and how many guest shots you can do on Regis and Kelley. That's a good first step toward EARNING a legacy in stock car racing!

Every great driver in every era played by different rules driving different cars. You have the rules and car in your era. Now, deal with it!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ill be honest, i lightly scanned the story ... here's what stood out to me

JG is worried about his legacy .... he wants to be regarded as the best to ever strap in to a car ..... and he is worried that may not happen


seems to me he is whining he may not win another championship ..... is this a preemptive strike by JG ...... 'well its not my fault i dont appear as good as The King and Dale Sr. .. they changed the rules'

And same article keyed the thoughts here -

1. Was championship measurement stable/same through each of Petty or Earnhardt's seven titles? I'd guess not for Petty, but possibly for E.

2. JG was speaking for many of the self proclaimed "old timers" or "let's go back to the roots / good past" folks. Stop all the constant change, let the past play through and in to todays sport and events. He is pretty much the last "bridge" remaining between the "7 Champs" era and today. When this ship goes over the horizon, can't see the "colors" carrier afterwards.

3. Each of the "top" in the sport as measured by number of titles is appreciated (here) for their own skills and accomplishments, as are many others some of whom have never won a title. The sport has changed significantly enough just over the Petty, E Sr. and JG period alone that direct comparison is not possible/relavent. Lures many foolish towards attempts - good for the 'ol humor bone.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

And same article keyed the thoughts here -

1. Was championship measurement stable/same through each of Petty or Earnhardt's seven titles? I'd guess not for Petty, but possibly for E.

2. JG was speaking for many of the self proclaimed "old timers" or "let's go back to the roots / good past" folks. Stop all the constant change, let the past play through and in to todays sport and events. He is pretty much the last "bridge" remaining between the "7 Champs" era and today. When this ship goes over the horizon, can't see the "colors" carrier afterwards.

3. Each of the "top" in the sport as measured by number of titles is appreciated (here) for their own skills and accomplishments, as are many others some of whom have never won a title. The sport has changed significantly enough just over the Petty, E Sr. and JG period alone that direct comparison is not possible/relavent. Lures many foolish towards attempts - good for the 'ol humor bone.

especially when you realize there's only been 28 drivers ever to win a championship in Cup. these are the names of those with 3 championships (immediately behind Petty, Earnhardt & Gordon) David Pearson, Lee Petty, Darrell Waltrip & Cale Yarborough. Then think about where these 7 guys rank in all time wins and it gets murkier and murkier why one guy won the championship while another won more races...

[wingkey1]

But never so murkie so as to diminish (here at least) recognition of each as an individual of the required talent, dedication, and accomplishment.

Don't need no "let's compare" to appreciate. Perhaps because we've had the priviledge to actually play the game from multiple sides. Owner, team member, official, instructor, volunteer. View and perspective a lot different on the inside.

[PenelopePitStop]

How nauseating! All I want to know is what meds France is on. I want them!

Ratings are down, ticket sales are down. I now "notice" the empty seats at the track when I watch a race. I find myself with an uncontrollable urge to b*tch slap France and ask him, "What the hell are you thinking? Are you flippin' delusional?" NASCAR is now no different than a large corporation. Spin, spin, spin. I wonder how many PR employees France has ... ?

Anyone notice during yesterday's race that there was a commercial for tickets to the 2008 Daytona 500? The Daytona 500! There was a time when you couldn't get a ticket to that race unless it was from scalpers.

As for JG, he's NOT the best to ever strap in to a car. There were many who came before him, and I wouldn't consider any of them "the best". But, I will admit that I have my all-time favorite. They all had their own style of driving, depends on the era, and we can debate who we may think is/was "the best" until the end of time and never come to a general consensus. Speaking of JG, has he been taking voice lessons from Kathleen Turner? I swear his voice is four octaves lower this season ... not as whiny ... perhaps it's fatherhood.

Yesterday's race was a snooze! If they weren't talking about Gordon, they were talking about Johnson. Next week, I may not even watch. Don't care much anymore. Season's done ... "Super Bowl" theory is an embarrassing failure.

Nice job, Mr. France!

[DOF_power]

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^ NASCAR hasn't got anything resembling dusty country back roads, no dirt ovals, barely any (proper) road courses, no stock cars, not a least bit logical/rational point system, and now there Chase and Top 35 nonsense.

Well ofcourse he doesn't have a clue.

[SpaceCadet]

This is not to start trouble or be a smart a$$, but I'm noticing that nearly all posts and threads are complaining and negative in regards to NASCAR. If the sport has become so horrible to you, for whatever reason, and the only entertainment value it has for you is to find more stuff you hate about it, why are you still watching? Why are you a member of this board? Does anyone find anything positive in the sport at all? Do we as fans only point fingers and place blame elsewhere for all it's problems or do we take some responsibility for things like raising the driver's to mega star status and buying all the stuff marketed? Even though I felt mildly ill when JJ won again, is it the fault of NASCAR or the points system that he has won 10 races this year, or do we just not like JJ so we find a scapegoat so we don't have to give his team the credit? (Cheating issue not relevant to these questions, please. Been there, done it.) What is the big issue with NASCAR being a business and making money? Is it the amount of money that the France's make off this that ticks people off or just that they make money on the sport we love so dearly and therefor should be "pure" and not tainted by the almighty dollar? That's pretty unrealistic, obviously. Can anyone give me even one thing they actually like about NASCAR, or are we just watching out of habit? I'm really not on a soap box here, I'm just curious as to what makes fans who are so unhappy continue to watch or participate if there's nothing left to enjoy. The negativity is unrelenting at times, and being a pretty positive personality type it gets kind of hard to read after a while. So, throw me a bone - what's good about NASCAR?

[simple simon]

good points you brought up SC

i can honestly say i enjoyed the season until about race 3 of the chase ...... by then it was clear JJ or JG would win the title and i lost all interest

as for the money aspect ...... i dont begrudge anyone making all the money they can legally make ...... i put 100% of the blame on the fans and consumers

let's just say for example Pepsi pays JG $10 million for a season ...... we provide that every time we buy a Pepsi ...... and i dont mind it .. it's their money, they can do what they want with it

[PenelopePitStop]

Good points from the other side, Space.

What's good about NASCAR? The competition ... well ... what's left of it.

I do not continue to watch Cup out of "habit". I love the sport. You have to give just a smidge of thought to the changes that have happened since France Sr. is gone.

I've only been a member of this forum for the 2007 season. I've learned a lot. Yes, some things I wish I didn't know. Don't really care how much money France makes. That's not the point. No, I don't take some responsibility for things like raising the driver's to mega star status and buying all the stuff marketed. I was a fan long before the media jumped on the bandwagon.

I don't blame anything or anyone. NASCAR is an evolution ... like everything else ... like it or not. However, France has not necessarily evolutionized the sport for the better. HMS' domination is another issue altogether.

[jks812]

I also don't watch out of habit. I also don't have a problem with them making money off the sport. It is what it is, a sport and a business. If they weren't making money none of them would be there; drivers owners none of them.
I do think the competition is still good. It's just that we don't get to see much of it because of who the network chooses to watch. It was some good racing yesterday, but we missed a good bit of it cause the camera was on JJ and JG most of the day. But that wasn't their fault.
One good thing about Nascar is that it has done something for the safety of the drivers. I applaud them for that.
Nascar is not the only sport that has turned into big business where the stars make millions. I say if they can make the money, then they should.
It's not Nascar's fault either that the championship came down to 2 drivers from the same team. It's the drivers fault for running so good. But is it their fault if the others couldn't keep up? No.

[DOF_power]

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^ Well as a side note, this type of attitude isn't restricted to the GTG NASCAR forum.

Other sports/sport-forums are the same whether it's football (soccer), tennis, cycling, rally and boy oh boy let's not forget F1.
The sports seem to suffer from all sorts of problem, with the root being financial interests and the win at all costs mentality.
In cycling we don't know if someone that wins was doped or not until afterwards.
Tennis is solved in courts.
Was the x football (soccer) match rigged ?!

And then ... there's F1.
Its almost a never ending scandal and/or tabloid speculation soap opera.
Flexi floors, flexi wing, illegal customer chassis (Williams vs STR and Super Auguri), McLaren spying on Ferrari, Renault possibly spying on McLaren according to the latest, Nigel Stepney claiming Ferrari was spying on McLaren too, McLaren accusing Williams and BMW of running on cold fuel, BMW and Toyota fighting over the contract of Timo Glock, and wonderboy Lewis Hamilton this, Lewis Hamilton that, is he moving to Switzerland for the tax benefits ?!, is he gone sign a 10 million deal with EA sport ?!, is he gonna float himself on the London stock exchange and get 100 million ?!, is he having an affair with Nicole Scherzinger ?!
And all this in just one season.
Bah, Brian France and his NA__CAR aren't quite so bad in certain areas at least. I mean no doping or espionage (yet ?!), and no Max and Bernie.


In fact I only know of ALMS fans of having an "our sport is good/clean" idea.