[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

What's good about NASCAR? The competition ... well ... what's left of it.

Loved that statement, Penny. My love of racing stems from the competition, as well. But even Ms. "The glass his half full" (a.k.a. me) has gotten pretty frustrated this year.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by jks812

I do think the competition is still good. It's just that we don't get to see much of it because of who the network chooses to watch. It was some good racing yesterday, but we missed a good bit of it cause the camera was on JJ and JG most of the day. But that wasn't their fault.

This goes along with my response to Penny about loving the competition. It's so true that we miss so much going on in the rest of the field because of the coverage. The competition is there somewhere, just not where the cameras are, that's for sure. And you know, I didn't even think about the safety issue. That's probably the best thing the current administration ( for lack of a better term) has done for the sport. That point really hit home last weekend when a local racer, a young man who went to school with my daughters was injured at the East West Shootout in Concord. There was no foam or no SAFER barrier and if it were not for the design and constuction of the car, this young man would have suffered far worse injuries. The car saved his life, but the lack of foam or barriers caused him to suffer injuries he most likely would not have had if they had been in place. It is a good feeling to know that the vast majority of the time those NASCAR drivers are going to climb out of their cars and walk away, even after the most violent of impacts. The engineering boggles my mind.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Loved that statement, Penny. My love of racing stems from the competition, as well. But even Ms. "The glass his half full" (a.k.a. me) has gotten pretty frustrated this year.

Agreed.

But let me think ... which is dangerous ...

Was it Richard Petty who won ten races in a row sometime in the 60s? That was before my NASCAR fanaticism, so I don't remember it happening, nor do I remember the reaction from the fans.

The King is loved and respected. HMS, Gordon, Johnson are not. Forgive my ignorance, but why? The era? Sign of the times? The media? The personalities? What?

[Lefturn]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Agreed.
The King is loved and respected. HMS, Gordon, Johnson are not. Forgive my ignorance, but why? The era? Sign of the times? The media? The personalities? What?

JG is not loved because he's not from the south and not a good 'ol boy. As I see it, he races as hard as the Black #3 ever did, but he is not from the mold so is not respected.

The same will hold true for the open wheel drivers - if they ever see success in the sport, they will not be well like IMO.

I don't know the business side of NASCAR and I'm not really inerested in it. I watch it for good side by side racing and for the people in the sport. I am just as happy to see JG win as I am Dale Jr. I have my favorites but honestly there are only a couple drivers that I don't care to see win.

NASCAR is still #1 for me, BUT I am not real happy with the latest trend. Things like the top 35, the chase and een the COT are all kind of sketchy for me. I'll still watch and be a fan but as the years go by I think I'll look back on this 'era' and it will stand out as some of the most messed up in NASCAR history.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Lefturn

JG is not loved because he's not from the south and not a good 'ol boy. As I see it, he races as hard as the Black #3 ever did, but he is not from the mold so is not respected.

Errrrrr....... IMO your wrong. I think he is a hell of a driver. However I hate his attitude and have always. If it was him not being a southerner thing then Rusty Wallace would have the same stance in NA$CAR as ol Gordo.

The same will hold true for the open wheel drivers - if they ever see success in the sport, they will not be well like IMO.

I don't know.... you could be right on this one.

[Lefturn]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Errrrrr....... IMO your wrong. I think he is a hell of a driver. However I hate his attitude and have always.

I am curious as to exactly what is wrong with his attitude. When JG first entered the sport he was young and had limited success. In fact I don't recall a whole lot of him in his rookie season. He began to win and for lack of a better term dominate many races with Evernham on the pit box later on.

At some point it seems to me it became 'fashionable' to hate JG simply because he was winning and smoking guys like Earnhardt and Wallace. Can you give examples of his attitude where it is justifiable to hate the guy like he is hated?

Then we can compare those examples with the likes of Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards.

I'm not trying to be confrontational in my tone. In fact, I am far from a JG fan simply because I like to see more of my drivers and less of him. For that reason alone I tend to tune out when the 24 car is on screen so much. I certainly don't hate the guy and admire his ability to win, but see way to much of him.

[Seahawker 562]

nascar sucks

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

nascar sucks

Come on,you can do better than that.Tell us how you really feel.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

nascar sucks

A rather unfair and abrasive statement. While I can say a lot of things about NASCAR that fall on the negative side, I really think, overall, it is as entertaining as any other sport.

You may not have noticed it but NASCAR is the most popular forum on this website. Taking a shot like that right directly across our bow is not a nice thing to do.

[Seahawker 562]

thats becuase the creator is a fan. so he invites nascar fans.

whats fun about cars going in 50 circles at the same speed?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

thats becuase the creator is a fan. so he invites nascar fans.

whats fun about cars going in 50 circles at the same speed?

What's fun about having a .556% winning percentage ???? It's in the eyes of the beholder. I think NASCAR is great. It my choice of sports. I don't go to other forums and give a general shot like the one in your post. Why come here and do it. What type of NASCAR fan, if any, are you ?

I could ask what fun is it for grown men to toss an egg shaped ball around for an hour, but I don't because it is the sport of choice for many. Just save your negative responses. It's not so difficult.

[Seahawker 562]

im just expressing my opinion towards nascar. like nothing ever happens in it. its the same thing every race.

But in football, it varys. Many diffrent things going on all the time. entertaining.

and how is one racer better than another? faster car? better at turning the wheel???

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

im just expressing my opinion towards nascar. like nothing ever happens in it. its the same thing every race.

But in football, it varys. Many diffrent things going on all the time. entertaining.

and how is one racer better than another? faster car? better at turning the wheel???

First you need to admit that you are not a NASCAR fan. Like any sport there is a lot of science in it. It is far more than just driving in a circle ... but a fan would know that.

[Seahawker 562]

like what, any average joe could be in nascar. press a pedal and turn the wheel occationally.

and of course im not a nascar fan, i wouldnt be ripping on it if I was

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Lefturn

I am curious as to exactly what is wrong with his attitude. When JG first entered the sport he was young and had limited success. In fact I don't recall a whole lot of him in his rookie season. He began to win and for lack of a better term dominate many races with Evernham on the pit box later on.

At some point it seems to me it became 'fashionable' to hate JG simply because he was winning and smoking guys like Earnhardt and Wallace. Can you give examples of his attitude where it is justifiable to hate the guy like he is hated?

Then we can compare those examples with the likes of Tony Stewart, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards.

I'm not trying to be confrontational in my tone. In fact, I am far from a JG fan simply because I like to see more of my drivers and less of him. For that reason alone I tend to tune out when the 24 car is on screen so much. I certainly don't hate the guy and admire his ability to win, but see way to much of him.

Jeff for the most part has (to me atleast) always had a higher than thou attitude. He has consistently condemed others for bumpdraftin, and the bump and run, but it is okay for him to do it because he was just racin. Don't get me wrong Stewart has been notorious of this as of late. I don't hate him for winnin, never will. I will not like some of his wins because they seem have been tainted. He seems to be favored by certain folks.

I don't see you as confrontational. I like that you are willin to discuss. I do agree with the to much JG on TV.