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Old 10-18-2007, 07:16 AM
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The Ultimate Sacrifice

CONCORD, N.C. -- Imagine Casey Mears' leading the final race of the Nextel Cup season at Homestead-Miami Speedway and teammate Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson needs that spot to capture the championship.


Mears has.


"I threw out that scenario to them," Mears said, referring to a recent conversation with Hendrick Motorsports officials. "They all went, 'Let's not think about that.'"


Mears can't help but think about it.

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Old 10-18-2007, 09:05 AM
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Mears knows what would happen. He would be told to give up the lead.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:19 AM
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"I threw out that scenario to them," Mears said, referring to a recent conversation with Hendrick Motorsports officials. "They all went, 'Let's not think about that.'"
If that isn't the biggest cop out answer I've ever heard, I don't know what is. These "team orders" are baloney. I'll bet when it comes to the win, in a driver's mind there are no teams. I'm sure Casey is aware that he'd become a victim of the "chrome horn", to be delivered without a doubt by either Gordon or Johnson. Teammate or not, if you've got to get by to win the championship, you're gonna do what ya gotta do. Not being a fan of the wreck 'em to win scenario, I'm not thrilled about that. But at the risk of feeling cheap and dirty, I'll admit, I would probably remove the object between myself and that championship. There, I said it.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:23 AM
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situational ethics .. gotta love it...
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:39 PM
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If Mears didn't make way for his teammates you would immediately hear after the race the standard quote from the other Hendrick drivers of "He's not a teammate" or "He ran out of talent".
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:59 PM
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If Mears didn't make way for his teammates you would immediately hear after the race the standard quote from the other Hendrick drivers of "He's not a teammate" or "He ran out of talent".
Exactly, then they'd be announcing his leaving and he'd no longer be welcome at team meetings. Seems to be getting to be a habit there. Interesting part is gonna be what happens next year, when Jr has to move over for them or they have to move over for him.
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If I were Mears, I'd go for the win. End of story. Screw this teammate crap! What has become of racing when an owner tells any driver to give up the lead or any spot for the benefit of another? Just makes me mad!

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If I were Mears, I'd go for the win. End of story. Screw this teammate crap! What has become of racing when an owner tells any driver to give up the lead or any spot for the benefit of another? Just makes me mad!
It's called F1 racing.
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It's called F1 racing.

.....more like.. F. U. racing I'd say.....
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It's called F1 racing.

It's in every form of motorsport not just F1 (where it's just more visible and people are more outraged). And the alternative would be to have several losers instead of a winner.

The Williams F1 team let their drivers fight it out, so first in 1981 when their drivers Jones and Reutemann took points/victories from each others like N. Piquet of Brabham won the WDC, then again in 1986 when N. Mansell and N. Piquet repeated this scenario Prost of McLaren won the WDC.
So 2 easy championships thrown away.
Also this Sunday if both McLaren drivers have problems then Ferrari driver Kimi Raikkonen will become WDC.
Fangio and Schumacher, the most successful champions, would have never won 5 and 7 WDCs without team orders.
As Prost said "It's sad for the competition, for the sport and for the show" but it really goes down to making the difference between winning and losing.
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^ Add to that McLaren 2007.

Raikkonen's Ferrari is is 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Driver Champion with 110 points vs. 109 points Hamilton/Alonso each of team McLaren.

Just as it happen in 1986 to the Williams brigade/boys, when 2 team mates fight a 3rd guy wins.

Honorable move/decission from McLaren but they thrown away an easy championship (or is it 2 ?!).
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:58 PM
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Never had an owner ask me to move over for anyone in racing.If they did then it is not racing and I would leave ASAP.What kind of dung product are you giving the paying fans with that crap?
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:59 PM
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^ Add to that McLaren 2007.

Raikkonen's Ferrari is is 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Driver Champion with 110 points vs. 109 points Hamilton/Alonso each of team McLaren.

Just as it happen in 1986 to the Williams brigade/boys, when 2 team mates fight a 3rd guy wins.

Honorable move/decission from McLaren but they thrown away an easy championship (or is it 2 ?!).
I missded the first part of the race and missed Hamilton's faux pas. When I switched to the race he was back in the pack and not looking too impressive.

Hamilton and Alonzo kind of remind me of Senna and Prost, without the almost hysterical anger.
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:19 PM
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Prost - Senna lasted at McLaren 2 seasons, Alonso - Hamilton will only have made it this season.

Quite a season it was, shame FIA ****** up the aero in the last 15 seasons
and made F1 look more like an endurance series. Maybe the new regulations
will bring back some of that 1980s to early 1990s excitement.
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Never had an owner ask me to move over for anyone in racing.If they did then it is not racing and I would leave ASAP.What kind of dung product are you giving the paying fans with that crap?

That's why the 1980s were the golden era of F1 IMO.

Reutermann vs. Jones at Williams, Villeneuve vs. Pironi at Ferrari, Prost vs. Lauda at McLaren, Mansell vs. Piquet at Williams and the culminating climax Prost vs. Senna at McLaren.


And witch fans ?! ... of a particular team, of a particular driver, of the glamour, of the technology ?!
If fans of a particular team/driver see their favorite win, everything is OK/great/terrific.
If not, everything is wrong and they start trowing stones at the first thing they see.
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