[LSC9901]

We've been down this road before but lets do it again anyway.

Do you feel that the current chase format is a fair and equitable way of determining who the winner actually is ?????

[Racer Duck]

no.

as long as the fastest don't race,

as long as there's a "Chosen" to ensure the "haves" get on TV, i.e., in the race

and as long as the Chosen of the Chosen (Chase) exclude anyone else from a chance at the trophy, it's not fair.

the [sponsor's name here] Cup Chase reminds be of a Harlem Globetrotters game .. the Washington Generals (or whoever the other team is) are at the game so the Globetrotter players have someone to bounce the ball off and make look foolish .. they're not there to provide any sort of competition.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

no.

as long as the fastest don't race,

as long as there's a "Chosen" to ensure the "haves" get on TV, i.e., in the race

and as long as the Chosen of the Chosen (Chase) exclude anyone else from a chance at the trophy, it's not fair.

the [sponsor's name here] Cup Chase reminds be of a Harlem Globetrotters game .. the Washington Generals (or whoever the other team is) are at the game so the Globetrotter players have someone to bounce the ball off and make look foolish .. they're not there to provide any sort of competition.

Agreed...........

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

We've been down this road before but lets do it again anyway.

Do you feel that the current chase format is a fair and equitable way of determining who the winner actually is ?????

LSC - this ain't personal, more a statement of/around the world some would live in. The following words used, so common today as a means towards rationalizing the dismissal of common sense, personal responsibility, and personal performance, triggered the remaining cell and associated response.

fair and equitable way - Ah yes, the "warm and fuzzy" crap. OK, you beat the livin' snot out of me. Square up and equal. Now "we" are going to hamstring you. Let's say - oh well - handcuff your right wrist to your left ankle, behind your back. Blindfold for you completes the "equity picture". Put a roller skate on your right foot, you stand on a small ice patch, I get a ball bat, and the winner is the chumpion (spelled as intended).

Gordon has won the 2007 Cup. We are now going through an excercise to please the idiots. They will be easily identifiable. Look for - "my guy won the Cup last year (2007)". A true athletic supporter.

Oh, sorry. To be clear - we voted "no".

[Racer Duck]

at this point, 6 have voted: 4 NO and 2 YES.

at this point, 3 have responded: 3 NO and 0 YES.

the "NO"'s get to argue among themselves...

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

at this point, 6 have voted: 4 NO and 2 YES.

at this point, 3 have responded: 3 NO and 0 YES.

the "NO"'s get to argue among themselves...

Not hard to do we freely, openly, and repeatedly admit - but, ya lost me. Don't explain. Better someone else does. More firmly confirms my constant state of "lostdom".

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Not hard to do we freely, openly, and repeatedly admit - but, ya lost me. Don't explain. Better someone else does. More firmly confirms my constant state of "lostdom".

and I thought I was being crystal clear... but if you, Wing the Great, is lost(er), then I must have failed miserably.. apologies now .. beer later.

TRANSLATION:
the "YES" folks haven't presented their case, just voted and left the bldg... so us "NO" folks can only argue with ourselves .. that's no fun.

[PettyBlue]

Right,wrong or what does it really matter?At the start of the year everyone knows the cup point champ rules for said year.They all start at zero and know leading at 26 races is not what it is about or what wins the cup for that year.Don't like,don't watch!Very simple really.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Right,wrong or what does it really matter?At the start of the year everyone knows the cup point champ rules for said year.They all start at zero and know leading at 26 races is not what it is about or what wins the cup for that year.Don't like,don't watch!Very simple really.

sorry, I'm confused: does that mean you voted "YES" .. or "NO"?

[PettyBlue]

RD, read your post #5 of this thread and then look at the poll,lol.How many yes vote's are read?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

RD, read your post #5 of this thread and then look at your poll,lol.How many yes vote's are read?

OK .. mission accomplished.

at 4:30PM on Sept 24 there were 6 votes. there were 2 "YES" votes at that time.
now, at 11:15PM on Sept 24 there were 9 votes. there are 3 "YES" votes now.

and I still see no replies stating they voted "YES" .. what's your point?

BTW: this isn't "my" poll. LSC started it.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

OK .. mission accomplished.

at 4:30PM on Sept 24 there were 6 votes. there were 2 "YES" votes at that time.
now, at 11:15PM on Sept 24 there were 9 votes. there are 3 "YES" votes now.

and I still see no replies stating they voted "YES" .. what's your point?

BTW: this isn't "my" poll. LSC started it.

How many yes votes now? And you are correct about who started the poll as I corrected it a bit ago.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

How many yes votes now? And you are correct about who started the poll as I corrected it a bit ago.

no new votes as of this moment.

you are going around in circles (I'll not ask: clockwise or counterclockwise?)

but you still haven't answered any of my questions. is it because you don't want to or because you enjoy this stupid game you're trying to play with me?

[PettyBlue]

Stupid?You best calm down and think.Here I will help you,YES was my vote,now continue.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Stupid?You best calm down and think.Here I will help you,YES was my vote,now continue.

yes, it was a stupid game .. took you 3 round-about posts to answer my simple question about which way you voted. you see, while the "YES" votes increased by 1, the "NO" votes increased by 2, so it was impossible for me to correctly determine your vote and your post which prompted my question could be interpreted either way. thus my simple question.

so, if I correctly understand your reasoning behind your vote, the Chase format is fair and equitable because everyone knew in advance the scoring system.

I disagree, because knowing what the system is beforehand has nothing to do with whether the system is fair nor whether every team gets an equal shot at the championship. for instance, the 3 cars at MWR never had a shot at it because they started from last and nothing in the system put them on an even playing field with the 3 cars at RCR which started near the front. MWR would have had to out perform RCR just to be even with them; how is that fair or equitable? I would submit that had the seeding system inverted the order, it would have been much more fair and equitable.