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Originally Posted by clutch

I'm sorry Simon....didnt mean to sound that way.....I just dont buy it.

Bob Tanners response kind of sums up how contrived Nascar has become but it certainly aint rigged......but my apologies to you

btw a simple NO would not suffice...I tried the one word answer CRAP and they told me my answer was too short...Lol

As for the one word response Clutch ... where there is a will, there is a way !!!

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NO ...

[saltysenior]

it is very, very,very, controling, with a rule book that is never seen,and rulings that differ in each case,.......but it is not rigged..

[Lefturn]

I think they exert too much control in some ways. The top 35 being the biggest 'fix' for lack of a better term. They need to revisit that rule for next year, I truely hope they do something about that.

The Chase moving to twelve is not a fix in my opinion. It allows more teams into the chase and with that more drivers to have a chance at winning it all.

Phantom debris cautions. Well, they are quick to throw a flag a times and then when it's Robby Gordon or somebody besides a superstar spinning the caution sometimes doesn't fly at all. That's a bit of a judgment call and therefor leaves the door open for different 'interpretation'.

I would say it's a bit of a 'dictatorship' but not fixed.

[kcoruol]

I sure hope not! What with ref's in basketball affecting the out come of the game, quarterbacks training fighting dogs, coach's betting on their game, steroids and all the other corruption in sports, I've come to NASCAR simply because they appear to be so squeeky clean compared to everyone else.

[jks812]

I don't think it's rigged to where they decide who's gonna win the race before it even starts. However I do think some of the cautions are to help out certain drivers at the time. Although the cautions aren't as often as they were before Tony made his speech about it. And it does seem like that if the leader has a pretty good lead with about 15 to go, whether it be for a spin or debris, a caution does come out.

[Souporscotty]

Is it rigged? I don't think so. Do they like to create DRAMA? I'd bet they do. They're nothing like professional wrestling, but at times they're sorta like a soap opera.

[saltysenior]

bad words:
rigged
fixed

good words;
controled
creative
tipped
help out
create drama
gently nudge

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

I sure hope not! What with ref's in basketball affecting the out come of the game, quarterbacks training fighting dogs, coach's betting on their game, steroids and all the other corruption in sports, I've come to NASCAR simply because they appear to be so squeeky clean compared to everyone else.

The drivers, for the most part, are the type of people who make good role models for the kids.

The managing officials, on the other hand...

"So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work."
Peter Drucker (1909 - 2005)

[titans#1]

Originally Posted by simple simon

asked all the members that cry on here about phantom debris cautions

ive never cried about phantom debris ive commented on tony being a cry baby on the whole situation but never believed in the phantom debris thing so next time get your facts right.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by titans#1

ive never cried about phantom debris ive commented on tony being a cry baby on the whole situation but never believed in the phantom debris thing so next time get your facts right.

that was in no way directed at you and i dont appreciate the attack ...... i have been here for most all the live chats and early on people were always complaining about debris cautions ...... i dont remember who, but they know who they are

[saltysenior]

i am one who complained, and i belive everyone who did was right. cautions where thrown for '' debris '' at times it was obvious it would be to the "shows" benefit......this has almost stopped since tony opened his mouth....i'm sure you all have tapes of the races before his statement..watch them some rainy day...

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by salysenior

i am one who complained, and i belive everyone who did was right. cautions where thrown for '' debris '' at times it was obvious it would be to the "shows" benefit......this has almost stopped since tony opened his mouth....i'm sure you all have tapes of the races before his statement..watch them some rainy day...

i didnt say it to offend you (or anyone for that matter) actually, i believe they do throw some cautions just to suit them ...... i was just curious what others thought, and if they thought it went further then that

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by simple simon

i didnt say it to offend you (or anyone for that matter) actually, i believe they do throw some cautions just to suit them ...... i was just curious what others thought, and if they thought it went further then that

When you say further than that.... explain a little more what you mean by this..... Do you mean anything else that is blatant or seems to be? Help us out with what you want Simon. Give me just a little more direction, and maybe I can give a better opinion.

Otherwise I would say I had been complainin about phantom debris cautions for 3 years and as soon as Tony opens his mouth they magically drop off. I think cautions are thrown when certain people want them or when certain people are in the lead. Example being DEGA this year when #00 blew up on backstretch with Mcmurray leadin and no caution thrown until a certain driver got his nose ahead. Or this past race when Edwards blows up there was a caution thrown, but when Jr blew up there was no caution thrown which seemed to benefit a certain driver.

What exactly are you lookin for?

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Quality88

What exactly are you lookin for?

anything anyone may be suspicious about

phantom debris cautions

less then accurate tech inspections

calling off qualifying because of rain instead of waiting for it to clear

anything like any of those or anything else you may feel is amiss ..... i dont know for sure one way or another if anything is going on, just thought it would be a good discussion