[Jeffrey4318]

It is not fair that this time next week Jimmie Johnson will be leading the points. Even though he just won he has not been performing like a championship leader this past few months. I agree wins should mean something but only to a point. They should only mean something for that days race not where you will be ranked in the chase. If Nascar wants to give more points to the winner then so be it. I guess the easiest way I could put it is Johnson taking the points lead is like an NFL team going 8-0 the first half of the season then finishing up 2-6 to go 10-6 for year and given home field advantage because of their first half success. Is it fair to those teams that finished up strong and earned that advantage? No it isn't . You know what about the Tony Stewarts and Carl Edwards that have worked their butts off this summer and deserve their spot? Why should they line up behind someone who hasn't been out performing them? I love the Chase and agree it should be about both wins and consistency. This format is just all about wins. Now that I have seen it played out I think they should go back to the old format. Still alow 12 but leave wins out of the ranking system. The only effect wins should have is on the points you earn for them.

[MidnightPrism]

I don't like the Chase at all, and 12 drivers is way too many. I could go for Top 5 maybe. I just realized there had been a rule change when they mentioned it tonight. The 6th place guy shouldn't be leading the points going in to the Chase.

[PenelopePitStop]

You lost me. I understand the Chase, and I hate it, but what "change" are you talking about? How will Johnson be leading in the points next week when he's currently in 6th? I must have missed something BIG!

[clutch]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

You lost me. I understand the Chase, and I hate it, but what "change" are you talking about? How will Johnson be leading in the points next week when he's currently in 6th? I must have missed something BIG!

yes PPS and they are called seedings...

remember 10 points for each win. after next week the chase will be seeded that way....and now johnson has 5? wins is it

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by clutch

yes PPS and they are called seedings...

remember 10 points for each win. after next week the chase will be seeded that way....and now johnson has 5? wins is it

Ummm ... I'm at a loss here, Clutch ... I'm sitting here shaking my head. Are you saying that when the Chase starts, 10 "seeding" points will be awarded to the drivers for each race they have won in addition to the points they are given when the Chase starts? Just when I thought this couldn't get any more confusing, BAM! upside the head.

I've got to do some research or post to Ask the Experts so I can truly understand this new "game".

So let's say the slate is wiped clean for the Chase. The top 12 drivers get a certain number of points in some sort of increment based on where they finished during the "normal" season. Then, those who have won races get an additional 10 points for each race they have won, which has the potential to really shuffle things around. That throws consistency to the wind. Don't like it! Am I close? I'm a "detail girl". I need a scenario.

I also need a drink!

[clutch]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Ummm ... I'm at a loss here, Clutch ... I'm sitting here shaking my head. Are you saying that when the Chase starts, 10 "seeding" points will be awarded to the drivers for each race they have won in addition to the points they are given when the Chase starts? Just when I thought this couldn't get any more confusing, BAM! upside the head.

I've got to do some research or post to Ask the Experts so I can truly understand this new "game".

So let's say the slate is wiped clean for the Chase. The top 12 drivers get a certain number of points in some sort of increment based on where they finished during the "normal" season. Then, those who have won races get an additional 10 points for each race they have won, which has the potential to really shuffle things around. That throws consistency to the wind. Don't like it! Am I close? I'm a "detail girl". I need a scenario.

I also need a drink!

NASCAR to expand Chase field and more points for wins in 2007 UPDATE: The Nextel Cup 2007 season will feature more points for victories and more drivers in the Chase for the Cup, NASCAR vice president of corporate communications Jim Hunter said this afternoon. How many points and how many drivers are being determined, Hunter said during a visit to USA TODAY's newsroom in McLean, Va. "We're still running the models," Hunter said, adding that an official announcement will be made during NASCAR's media tour Jan. 22-26 in Charlotte.NASCAR added the Chase for the Cup in 2004 with the top 10 drivers in the points standings and anyone within 400 points of the leader, competing in the final 10 races for the Cup championship.(USA Today)(1-4-2007)
UPDATE: Staying within 400 points of the lead no longer will be a factor to get in the Chase for the Nextel Cup. A source close to NASCAR said the governing body is finalizing a plan that will allow the top 12 in points in the 10-race playoff with no provision for how many points a driver is from the lead. The top 10 and anybody within 400 points after 26 races qualified for the playoff during the first three years of the Chase. But because the 400-point margin hasn't been a factor -- seven or fewer drivers were within that range from 2004-06 -- NASCAR decided to set a hard number. Barring a last-minute change, that number will be 12. NASCAR also will award 10 more points to the winner after running several models that showed after 10 the system created more runaway scenarios. An official announcement will come later this month at the media tour in Charlotte. NASCAR officials considered putting in a provision that would allow a driver with the most wins outside the Chase in the playoff, but decided against it. They also decided against expanding the 400-point margin to another figure such as 500.(ESPN.com)(1-8-2007)NASCAR to expand Chase field and more points for wins in 2007 UPDATE: The Nextel Cup 2007 season will feature more points for victories and more drivers in the Chase for the Cup, NASCAR vice president of corporate communications Jim Hunter said this afternoon. How many points and how many drivers are being determined, Hunter said during a visit to USA TODAY's newsroom in McLean, Va. "We're still running the models," Hunter said, adding that an official announcement will be made during NASCAR's media tour Jan. 22-26 in Charlotte.NASCAR added the Chase for the Cup in 2004 with the top 10 drivers in the points standings and anyone within 400 points of the leader, competing in the final 10 races for the Cup championship.(USA Today)(1-4-2007)
UPDATE: Staying within 400 points of the lead no longer will be a factor to get in the Chase for the Nextel Cup. A source close to NASCAR said the governing body is finalizing a plan that will allow the top 12 in points in the 10-race playoff with no provision for how many points a driver is from the lead. The top 10 and anybody within 400 points after 26 races qualified for the playoff during the first three years of the Chase. But because the 400-point margin hasn't been a factor -- seven or fewer drivers were within that range from 2004-06 -- NASCAR decided to set a hard number. Barring a last-minute change, that number will be 12. NASCAR also will award 10 more points to the winner after running several models that showed after 10 the system created more runaway scenarios. An official announcement will come later this month at the media tour in Charlotte. NASCAR officials considered putting in a provision that would allow a driver with the most wins outside the Chase in the playoff, but decided against it. They also decided against expanding the 400-point margin to another figure such as 500.(ESPN.com)(1-8-2007)

[clutch]

To put it simply PPS the top 12 in the points reach the playoffs.
the top 12 in points are then the same except that they award 10 points extra for each win during the season.....thus the seedings

[clutch]

or from Nascar......

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/01/22/chase.changes/index.htmlhttp://www.nascar.com/2007/news/headlines/cup/01/22/chase.changes/index.html

[Fastdodgeguy]

I always thought that those in the chase should be scored seperately. Right now if a chaser has a gets caught up in a wreck has bad race etc, it puts him at a major disadvantage. And lets face it things happen in races. If the worse you could do within the chase is be scored 12th with bonus points for winning it would keep more chasers in the hunt longer and prolong the interest.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by clutch

To put it simply PPS the top 12 in the points reach the playoffs.
the top 12 in points are then the same except that they award 10 points extra for each win during the season.....thus the seedings

Great Googly Moogly!

I didn't even know about this staying within 400 points of the lead would be a factor to get in the Chase for the Nextel Cup. I thought top-10/12 get in regardless of how far behind they were from the leader.

Your link to NASCAR.com didn't work, but I'll keep searching.

I'm no expert by a long shot, but this sounds like a slippery slope. And I do realize I am over analyzing this.

If the guy in 13th is out of the Chase by 5 points, but has won 2 races, and the guy in 12th hasn't won any, is this fair? Once locked out, locked out, and too bad?







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[Phils20]

Under any format, the chase is nothing but a hokey gimmick. Just my two cents. This isn't a stick and ball sport, and shouldn't be treated as such. (slithering back into my hole now, to duck the flames!)

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Under any format, the chase is nothing but a hokey gimmick. Just my two cents. This isn't a stick and ball sport, and shouldn't be treated as such. (slithering back into my hole now, to duck the flames!)

I agree, and will slither back in the hole as well.

[wardfan]

the 12 in the chase start with 5000 points. And then they get 10 points for each win. So, JJ will lead with 5050 with 5 wins, and GJ will have 5040 with 4 wins and so on down the line. As far as I'm concerned the 5000 is just a number out of the hat. Why not just start at zero with the 10 points for the wins. Of couse the whole chase is bogus as far as I'm concerned. Watch next year the chase will be the top 12 or however many it will take to get Jr into it.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Phils20

Under any format, the chase is nothing but a hokey gimmick. Just my two cents. This isn't a stick and ball sport, and shouldn't be treated as such. (slithering back into my hole now, to duck the flames!)

No flames from me. I agree that this is not any of the other major sports but that isn't how the France clan wants to view it. For them it is all about the money and this play off scheme creates just that. Nothing wrong with making money. Nothing wrong with a play off system. This just isn't the correct system for this sport.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

No flames from me. I agree that this is not any of the other major sports but that isn't how the France clan wants to view it. For them it is all about the money and this play off scheme creates just that. Nothing wrong with making money. Nothing wrong with a play off system. This just isn't the correct system for this sport.

Very true. I don't hate it as some do, but I hope it goes away one day. NOt a Gordon fan by any means, but it just seems wrong to do it as they are now. I realize that is what other playoff systems do, but I still don't have to like it!

I think the NHL is really screwing up the game, trying to "create" excitement. Excitement just happens, and no amount of planning will bring about instant drama.