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Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Typical. Focus on the "bee in your bonnet" comment, the "sexy bee hive hair-do", whether or not I had one (which I didn't ... too young), and whether or not I was "cute", as opposed to the point(s) of my post.

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Typical?Please say male thinking and do this old guys heart some good,lol.

I got a better idea ... how about we just veer away from this subject matter all together !!!

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Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Each and every.I want to learn me something from that post,lol.

It all looked pretty specific to me. Exactly what are you disputing ??? I don't follow.

[PettyBlue]

Backup each point with proof or don't state them if you can't is what I am speaking of.ps it was 1979 for Petty's last championship not 1978 as stated to start off the prooving of the post.

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Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Backup each point with proof or don't state them if you can't is what I am speaking of.

Well I will state that the points system years ago was a little less than fair. How could someone win and get less points than another driver. It's also a fact that there were more races per year in the early years which would permit more wins per season.

Many of the other points are clear facts that seem relatively easy to look up and confirm ?????

The only place I can see room for discussion is the cheating factor. That is always speculation, but I find it to be a generally accepted way of doing business back then .... just as it is today. Just ask Knaus.

[PettyBlue]

Then let the person look them up and provide links to said proof of each and every point in their post is all I ask.Is that too much?

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Typical?Please say male thinking and do this old guys heart some good,lol.

Gender has nothing to do with it, and I do not appreciate the inference that it does. Once again, the focus is not on the post. THAT is what is typical.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Gender has nothing to do with it, and I do not appreciate the inference that it does. Once again, the focus is not on the post. THAT is what is typical.

But I was focused as best this old guy can,lol!

[PettyBlue]

I would like to end this by stateing some think big e was great and that is ok.I think he ,well let's say was far from where he has been put by his fans after death.p.s.add his son as well.p.s.s.thank's for the pm SpaceCadet.

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

Petty's first Championship was won under a dubious points system where winnings were figured into a complicated formula to dertermine points payouts. It was possible to score more points than drivers ahead of him in the finish order of a race.

Only 5 of Petty's Cups came under a fair points system but they also occured in a period when cheating was still rampant as evidenced by the fact that between 1970 and 1979, only 3 men won the Cup with Parsons taking only one.Petty won 5 for Petty Enterprises and Cale won 3 in a row for Junior Johnson. Neither organization was known to be pure or free from seeking unfair competitive advantage.

Many of Petty's 200 wins were a direct result of 2 distinct factors in NASCAR's early days. Cheating and fields of 25 cars or less where it was unusual to have more than half the field running at the end. In 1967 over half of his wins were due to the second factor.In the modern era, under a fair points system based on performance and consistency, Earnhardt won 7 Cups while Petty won 5. From 1970 through 1980 Petty won 89 races. Pearson won 48 in the same time frame.

Over the course of the next decade, during a more competitive period, Earnhardt won 47 races while Petty won 10. After each man's 40th birthday Petty won 20 races and 1 championship while Earnhardt won 28 races, 2 Cups and missed a 3rd by 34 points and a 4th by 265 points.Following Petty's last Championship in 1978 at the age of 41, the closest he ever got to a Cup was 1980 when he finished 4th, 406 points behind the Champ, Earnhardt.


NASCAR Ranting and Raving Blog: Careful There Richard
http://www.racehippie.com/nascar-his...-of-nascar.php

If you want to look at it like that all of Richard and Dale's Championships weren't won during the chase. If not for the chase Jeff Gordon would be going for #6 this year.

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Originally Posted by PettyBlue

Then let the person look them up and provide links to said proof of each and every point in their post is all I ask.Is that too much?

How about looking at it from the other side of the fence. The person who posted that statement got the info from a blog. If the information is incorrect then can you give links to prove otherwise ?

I don't know it one way or another but I'll just guess that the member who posted it believes it all to be true unless proven otherwise.

[vincesanity82]

Ive thrown in the towel on the debate, people get too sensitive and my point wasnt to piss anyone off, although I wasnt attacking petty,I stated facts, as lsc has stated some of it I read in the blog and another website and some of it ive heard, I cant give you links for every point so take it as non-factual if you want, I respect both drivers and my main point I guess was to show that even though some people looked at dales driving as unethical and crash and pass, petty wasnt perfect by no means, hes admitted to cheating and tricking his cars out at times,to me there is a lot of difference in how you prepare a car to race in a garage and what you are able to do with a car on the track. IMO rubbin' is racing but tricking you car out isnt. We could go back and forth all day debating and like others have stated it will get us no where..so I digress..

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

Ive thrown in the towel on the debate, people get too sensitive and my point wasnt to piss anyone off, although I wasnt attacking petty,I stated facts, as lsc has stated some of it I read in the blog and another website and some of it ive heard, I cant give you links for every point so take it as non-factual if you want, I respect both drivers and my main point I guess was to show that even though some people looked at dales driving as unethical and crash and pass, petty wasnt perfect by no means, hes admitted to cheating and tricking his cars out at times,to me there is a lot of difference in how you prepare a car to race in a garage and what you are able to do with a car on the track. IMO rubbin' is racing but tricking you car out isnt. We could go back and forth all day debating and like others have stated it will get us no where..so I digress..

you left yourself open to controversy when you discounted Petty's wins 'cause of admitted cheating while admitting it was rampant at the time, while at the same time you allowed Sr's controversial (crash & pass) wins to stand without debate, even re-characterizing them as "rubbin'".

also, you should have checked some basic facts: Petty's last championship was in '79, not '78; after that he finished 4th in points twice, not once as you stated (the 2nd time ('83) Earnhardt was 8th, 310 points behind Petty.)

here's another fact that brings the two even closer: after their 40th birthday, each placed in the top 10 in championship points 9 times although Dale had the edge in top 5's with 7 to Richard's 5. (how's that for spooky?)

[Witley]

Although I agree that Earnhardt was a tremendous talent, I waited 3 days after he died for him to be resurrected. It didnt happen so he isnt God like so many people believe. He wrecked someone almost every week. I watched nearly every race since 1985 and it was very common. Great driver, even greater jerk. Everyone says to get out of his way if you dont want wrecked. BS That is not racing. How much talent does it take to wreck someone? Hell I can even do that all day. I remember once at Pocono when Jeremy Mayfield punted Earnhardt out of the way on the last lap to get the win. Earnhardt cried like a sissy !!! Same treatment has never applied to him. Mayfield told him he had no reason to ***** because he had won 7 chanpionships doing the same. The more he wrecked cars the more his toothless fans cheered and the more NASCAR looked away. I hate it that he died. I really do. As much as I hated him I would never wish that on someone. I hated the hillbilly 3 fans more for blaming Marlin for his death. Watch the freakin video with your eyes open. He was blocking and drove up into Marlin so that Jr could win. He killed himself driving like an idiot who thinks the track belongs to him. It was inevitable that something bad was going to happen eventually driving like a fool.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Witley

Although I agree that Earnhardt was a tremendous talent, I waited 3 days after he died for him to be resurrected. It didnt happen so he isnt God like so many people believe. He wrecked someone almost every week. I watched nearly every race since 1985 and it was very common. Great driver, even greater jerk. Everyone says to get out of his way if you dont want wrecked. BS That is not racing. How much talent does it take to wreck someone? Hell I can even do that all day. I remember once at Pocono when Jeremy Mayfield punted Earnhardt out of the way on the last lap to get the win. Earnhardt cried like a sissy !!! Same treatment has never applied to him. Mayfield told him he had no reason to ***** because he had won 7 chanpionships doing the same. The more he wrecked cars the more his toothless fans cheered and the more NASCAR looked away. I hate it that he died. I really do. As much as I hated him I would never wish that on someone. I hated the hillbilly 3 fans more for blaming Marlin for his death. Watch the freakin video with your eyes open. He was blocking and drove up into Marlin so that Jr could win. He killed himself driving like an idiot who thinks the track belongs to him. It was inevitable that something bad was going to happen eventually driving like a fool.

Hello and welcome here Witley.Old thread but true post as you see it.Come back anytime and post often.

[Witley]

drove "down" into Marlin. To late to edit.