[vincesanity82]

Rick Hendrick would like NASCAR to take its time when it comes to disputed penalties that can be reviewed by TV replays. Hendrick, who owns the No. 5 Chevrolet driven by Kyle Busch in Friday's Busch Series race at Bristol Motor Speedway, called NASCAR's penalty assessed to Busch for a commitment line violation -- which video replays showed was incorrect -- a "terrible mistake." TV replays clearly showed Busch, who was running second at the time, did not commit a violation, but NASCAR didn't see the replay until the race restarted. As a penalty, Busch was sent to the rear of the field. He restarted 28th and finished fourth. "I talked to Mike (Helton, NASCAR president) and he said they didn't have the tape or they couldn't get to the tape and when they got to the tape, it was like, `How do you fix it?' I understand that," Hendrick said. "I'd like to see for everybody's benefit, especially going into the Chase, for them to take the time, run a few more caution laps and try to make sure that they are right. I think they will try to do that. "I think the inspectors have to talk to the crew chiefs. The communication is going to be better. This is something they don't want to see happen, certainly not something that will decide the outcome of a championship." Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, said NASCAR officials are subject to human error like any other sport. -- Charlotte Observer

Charlotte Observer | 08/26/2007 | Owner nudges NASCAR to replay

[jks812]

I still don't understand Nascar saying the tape wasn't ready or available. They showed it on TV about 3 times while they were under caution. All they had to do was watch their monitors and they would have seen it.

[bob101]

Slippery slope.

How about teams being given a penalty later in the race or after the race because a penalty shows up on the video of the race? Many times I've seen teams drop a lug nut and even have the commentator make the comment "They got away with one there" because NASCAR missed it.

I don't want to see replays come in at all. NASCAR missed the call. I'm sure at some point NASCAR was looking the other way when a Hendrick team did something they shouldn't have.

You think races are too long now...what happens when they extend cautions to look at replays that are disputed? Remember before scoring loops and all that and it took 3 laps under caution to clean up a wreck and 10 laps to put everyone back in the right order?

Don't want to go back to 15 lap cautions or more while they figure it out.

[bob101]

Originally Posted by jks812

I still don't understand Nascar saying the tape wasn't ready or available. They showed it on TV about 3 times while they were under caution. All they had to do was watch their monitors and they would have seen it.

Probably because the person who can make the change doesn't sit at the race and watch the race on ESPN. The officials request the feed be sent to them via closed circuit to the same room where they watch closed circuit TV's for things such as debris on the track etc....

They requested it be sent to them and whatever was going on in the ESPN truck they didn't get it sent to them.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by bob101

Probably because the person who can make the change doesn't sit at the race and watch the race on ESPN. The officials request the feed be sent to them via closed circuit to the same room where they watch closed circuit TV's for things such as debris on the track etc....

They requested it be sent to them and whatever was going on in the ESPN truck they didn't get it sent to them.

Okay I can understand that. But they knew the team was contesting it, should have run another caution lap or 2 til they saw it and decided. Sure didn't take them long after the green flag, when it was to late, to say, oh we made a mistake.

[LSC9901]

Another issue to consider in this case is that Kyle did come into the pits as ordered and at that time got gas and tires. Had he contested and won he would have had an unfair advantage against the test of the field.

[clutch]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Another issue to consider in this case is that Kyle did come into the pits as ordered and at that time got gas and tires. Had he contested and won he would have had an unfair advantage against the test of the field.

That would be fine with me. Nascar screwed up

After their heavy handed approach to teams this year, I find there screw up somewhat amusing but unacceptable that it impacted on a racer and steps should be taken to ensure that it doesnt happen again

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Another issue to consider in this case is that Kyle did come into the pits as ordered and at that time got gas and tires. Had he contested and won he would have had an unfair advantage against the test of the field.

That would have been their fault. Had they not brought him in wrongly, he wasn't coming in. So the other teams would only have Nascar to blame. Maybe after getting heat from the other owners also, they would have been more careful next time. Nascar this year,especially, is turning into such a joke.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by clutch

That would be fine with me. Nascar screwed up

After their heavy handed approach to teams this year, I find there screw up somewhat amusing but unacceptable that it impacted on a racer and steps should be taken to ensure that it doesnt happen again

Originally Posted by jks812

That would have been their fault. Had they not brought him in wrongly, he wasn't coming in. So the other teams would only have Nascar to blame. Maybe after getting heat from the other owners also, they would have been more careful next time. Nascar this year,especially, is turning into such a joke.

I can see your points of view but if NASCAR is going to make an error should one team pay the price or 42 teams ?

I know, I know ... none of them should but that is human error.

[oncea3fan]

they should when there is a protest leave the car in position until a review is done, if there is still demination that will was a voilation then the car has 5 laps to stop and go with NO pit work, a green stop and go is clearly worse then under caution so teams would only protest when they are 100% sure they were wronged. on the other hand in 5 laps the caution may wave again, although it under caution they still can't work on the car, after the stop and go they may circle and come back in to service the car.

[bob101]

Protest from a team should never come during a race. PERIOD. Even if it adds only 1-2 caution laps imagine the ability to abuse that. My other driver needs 1-2 caution laps to finish on fuel...presto I'm appealing my commitment line infraction with my other team.

They can ***** and whine all they want after the race. During the race all they can do is point out stuff for NASCAR officials to watch the rest of the race.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by bob101

Protest from a team should never come during a race. PERIOD. Even if it adds only 1-2 caution laps imagine the ability to abuse that. My other driver needs 1-2 caution laps to finish on fuel...presto I'm appealing my commitment line infraction with my other team.

They can ***** and whine all they want after the race. During the race all they can do is point out stuff for NASCAR officials to watch the rest of the race.

I don't agree with that. If nothing else they can red flag it while they watch the replay. That way nobody is helped by it. But after the race is over, it doesn't matter anymore. I really believe what they did could have cost Kyle a win. If they had red flagged it and watched it, without letting him come in 1st, they would have put him in the lead, he might would win. If they wait til after the race and protest it, and Nascar said yes we were wrong, what good would that do?

[bob101]

Originally Posted by jks812

I don't agree with that. If nothing else they can red flag it while they watch the replay. That way nobody is helped by it. But after the race is over, it doesn't matter anymore. I really believe what they did could have cost Kyle a win. If they had red flagged it and watched it, without letting him come in 1st, they would have put him in the lead, he might would win. If they wait til after the race and protest it, and Nascar said yes we were wrong, what good would that do?

Talk about making ratings go down and make racing boring at the same time....don't even talk about red flags.

At the end of his career the screw ups and missed calls will even out. Get over it.

I really don't think I would watch another race in NASCAR if they red flagged a race for the 10 minutes that it took them to figure out the correct call. If we're going to go down this road I'll go back to watching the NFL where games take 45 minutes for the last 2 minutes of game time due to replays and time outs.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by bob101

Talk about making ratings go down and make racing boring at the same time....don't even talk about red flags.

At the end of his career the screw ups and missed calls will even out. Get over it.

I really don't think I would watch another race in NASCAR if they red flagged a race for the 10 minutes that it took them to figure out the correct call. If we're going to go down this road I'll go back to watching the NFL where games take 45 minutes for the last 2 minutes of game time due to replays and time outs.

I can't say that I lean one way or the other but it only took the TV people seconds to see the call was wrong. Where do you see a red flag being 10 minutes long just to review a tape ? Even football doesn't take that long.

[bob101]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I can't say that I lean one way or the other but it only took the TV people seconds to see the call was wrong. Where do you see a red flag being 10 minutes long just to review a tape ? Even football doesn't take that long.

It took 10 minutes for NASCAR to get a copy of the tape that was going over the broadcast on ESPN. It was 10 minutes before NASCAR knew that they had made a mistake.

That's where 10 minutes come from. As I said above, officials at races don't sit there and watch the broadcast - they watch the race. Even the people who sit in the tower/top of the grandstands and judge debris for cautions do so by watching closed circuit High Definition monitors of the track.

If you want to do a review. It has to be found in the broadcast truck, then piped over to the officals. Then you have to watch it. Then you have to call back down and make sure you get ALL the angles. Takes time.

I'm sorry but at each and every race there are at least 100+ NASCAR officals with 2 eyeballs each. If they miss something so be it.

I don't remember hearing how NASCAR should have stopped the race last year and review all the tapes when they had a debris caution for roll bar padding to see who it was before the race continued. Same thing. Only this time it was a more popular driver.