[McMurray26]

this may be a dumb question but does yates not have the 28 anymore...

i know that havoline wanted to take the 28 to ganaasi and that didn't happen so why did the 28 not stay on an ryr car...

[I Flip For Carl]

The No. 28 still belongs to Robert Yates Racing. There was a great deal of talk about giving returning driver Ricky Rudd that number, which he drove during his previous three-year stint at RYR, but ultimately the decision was made to put him in the No. 88 for 2007. As for keeping car numbers, owners can keep them indefinitely. Just because they "own" a number (which actually is assigned to them by NASCAR) doesn't mean they actually have to have it in active competition.

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

The No. 28 still belongs to Robert Yates Racing. There was a great deal of talk about giving returning driver Ricky Rudd that number, which he drove during his previous three-year stint at RYR, but ultimately the decision was made to put him in the No. 88 for 2007. As for keeping car numbers, owners can keep them indefinitely. Just because they "own" a number (which actually is assigned to them by NASCAR) doesn't mean they actually have to have it in active competition.

There was some big deal when Rudd wanted to bring the # back that Havoline wouldn't let it be used for so many years. I tried to find it and can't.

[I Flip For Carl]

Originally Posted by tkj24

There was some big deal when Rudd wanted to bring the # back that Havoline wouldn't let it be used for so many years. I tried to find it and can't.

Sorry I can't see how Havoline would/could have any say over Yates using the #28. I never saw that story nor did I hear anything about it . That doesn't mean that this really wasn't said ,but I'm just saying I don't see how Havoline could have any say over it ..

Look at the good that Davey and Yates gave Havoline for so long and now look at Montoya and how he is marring the sponsor with his arrogance and not so clean driving .

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by McMurray26

this may be a dumb question but does yates not have the 28 anymore...

i know that havoline wanted to take the 28 to ganaasi and that didn't happen so why did the 28 not stay on an ryr car...

An agreement between Yates and Texaco was made that for so many years the number 28 would NOT be used. I don't have time, at the moment, to search it out, it used to be a FAQS on the Yates site, but it is gone, now that they changed the site. There was a list of frequently asked questions that asked, will the 28 be back? And the answer was that the 28 won't be back. I will try to find the article later, after work!!

[tkj24]

Sources: Rudd's Yates entry will sport No. 88

By Marty Smith
ESPN.com
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Updated: January 3, 2007, 8:02 PM ET

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MOORESVILLE, N.C. -- Sources close to Robert Yates Racing told ESPN.com Wednesday that Ricky Rudd's Snickers Ford will carry the No. 88 in 2007.

An announcement is expected as soon as this weekend, one source said.

Since the mid-December announcement that Rudd would return to Nextel Cup Series racing following a year off, considerable speculation has centered on what number his RYR Ford would carry.

Team officials were undecided and a bit evasive during a conference call following the announcement, leading many to speculate the number would switch to 28 -- the number carried by Yates' first-ever Cup Series entry from its inception through 2003, when the car was switched to No. 38.

Asked his preference, Rudd said he'd take the No. 28, which he drove for Yates from 2000 through 2002, posting three wins and 34 top-five finishes.

But he'll get the 88, a decision made based on a 2002 agreement between RYR and Texaco/Havoline, sources said.

The agreement, sources said, was that RYR could keep the No. 28 when Texaco left for Chip Ganassi Racing, but that Yates would wait several years to run the number.

Yates and Masterfoods -- Snickers' parent company -- wanted to run the No. 28, but couldn't reach the required agreement with Texaco to do so, sources said.

Marty Smith is a contributor to ESPN's NASCAR coverage. He can be reached at ESPNsider@aol.com.
ESPN - Sources: Rudd's ride will carry No. 88, not expected 28 - Nascar

[I Flip For Carl]

Being a Davey fan I associate the #28 with him and I also associate the Texaco sponsor with Davey as well. It pains me to see Texaco on the car of one of my least favorite driver's .

It even pains me to see Montoya with the 42 ,as I was also a Kenny Irwin fan . YES, I know that 42 belongs to Ganassi ,but as I said earlier I'm not a fan of Montoya

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

Being a Davey fan I associate the #28 with him and I also associate the Texaco sponsor with Davey as well. It pains me to see Texaco on the car of one of my least favorite driver's .

It even pains me to see Montoya with the 42 ,as I was also a Kenny Irwin fan . YES, I know that 42 belongs to Ganassi ,but as I said earlier I'm not a fan of Montoya

WEe do in fact encourage opinions here and I agree with you about Davey.

[tkj24]

I liked Davey and had nothing against him. I was a Petty fan at the time when Davey was racing. I was in Daytona when Davey won the 500. I cheered him on for you and my cousin who was a Davey fan.

I don't like JPM either. I don't know personally of anyone who likes him.

[Racer Duck]

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are. for some reason, we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid". why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures?

[wardfan]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are. for some reason, we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid". why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures?

OK and so what hoodlum do you cheer for in the NBA as an example? Or now most recently Michael Vick. Need I say more.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are. for some reason, we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid". why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures?

I guess it is a matter of perception again Ducky. I hold all of my sports figures to higher standards than I hold my next door neighbor to. I feel that if you want celebrity status then you better be willing to live up to it. Take a look at the Michael Vick threads.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are. for some reason, we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid". why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures?

Because some people lives their lives vicariously through the exploits of their "hero" sports idols. Many mentally associate the traits of the person they idolize as traits they, themselves, are lacking but would like to possess.

The same can be said of those who exhibit the same psychological relationships with film stars, and other uber-famous people.

That's my take on your question, but then I'm just a country boy from Indiana so what do I know?

[Bob Tanner]

The matter of the #28 (and the #3) brings to mind a question I have. I don't think that there is a definitive answer but I'll ask it anyway...

The two above numbers "belong" to Yates and Childress respectively. Yates has two teams and RCR currently has three. IN 2010 NASCAR has mandated that no car owner can have more than four teams (Two too many, but that's another complete kettle of worms). IF (massive "IF") NASCAR holds the line on this rule, and IF (not so massive an "IF" there) RCR, for example, goes to four teams, will they be required to use the #3? Will they be required to "turn in" the number to NASCAR for another number, or will a team be allowed to have as many numbers as they want, despite the fact they can use only four of them?

I thought this posed an interesting scenario and a possible situation proving The Law of Unintended Consequences is alive and well.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are. for some reason, we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid". why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures?

Get ready Racer, here's a Friday Night Special

Wow that which the above can be interpreted to encompass is soooo flippin' broad that it may well defy response that has meaning across the entire appropriate spectrum.

There's Vicky the dog fightin' man - don't "euth 'em", 'cute 'em or drown 'em. There's Dwight the "can I pitch if I'm straight in the morning?" Met, and all here can fill in the successive scenario's and examples ad nauseum (sp?).

Many of the "other" sports (By the way, Mr. Marbury has been quoted in defense of Vicky that canine throat ripping is a sport) accept pretty much any/all language thrown in to the air. Aim it at an "official" (never mind he may have money on the game), and ya get one of five personal fouls (NBA example here) maybe more if yer really vociferous. But throw it in the air targeting no one, who gives a rat's toush (governing body's position) that you've brought your 5 year old courtside to "enjoy the experience" and foster the family sharing event. Our sport says (it is our sport right?) - throw the word, pay the price. Each fan should choose the position preferred.

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are - And for this there must be given credit to the sanctioning body. I vote for - continue to discard the druggies, find out who's stealing the dogs, and let's keep lettin' the owners and drivers know that they will not, in our eyes, be allowed to become the "personalities" whose sports give them carte blanche behavior clearance, up to and including involvement in the taking of a human (canine for the ASPCAers) life.

we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid" - we sure do. And the weak will say - we'll maybe we need to relax a bit. Lower the goal, and you'll get associated results. One much smarter than I said - "aim for nothing, and you will surely hit it".

why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures? - because their governing bodies have made it clear that you, Mr./ Ms./ Mrs. Fan are insignificant. Their position - Our participants (your hero's?) will be allowed to drug themselves into states that allow for performance beyond comprehension, will violate Fido, will take lives, will show you, the fan, the "digit", and you will shut your mouth and take it. We (the governing body) feel no need to defend you for you are so corrupt and in love with same, that you will continue to dump money on us even as you friggin' lemmings wimper - "it don't seem right, can I have a ticket for Tuesday nights event?".

And oh by the way (sayeth the governing body), we ain't got time for televising the national anthem. It don't seem to translate well anyway. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.

Those who serve? Maybe we'll find time if the "enemy" knocks off a few more thousand of "us". Make that "you" cause we feel insulated. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.

Oh, one last thing - we're confused about who the God of this area of the world is. Prayer - eliminated. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.


Alwright (spelling a choice), settle out Winger me boy. I don't want our sport invaded by - "it's what the other sports or celebrity driven areas of entertainment are doing". Not invaded in/by the "play offs" approach(Chase), not in the acceptance of inappropriate representations, not in this discounting of our country, it's people, it's defenders, and/or its' founding principles.

Any questions to the effect - Why are we different?, prompts the feeling - because we're friggin' better. Somebody's gotta be. Follow us, because we're dang sure not following you!

Sometimes when compared to the alternatives, a governing body doesn't look too bad.