[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The matter of the #28 (and the #3) brings to mind a question I have. I don't think that there is a definitive answer but I'll ask it anyway...

The two above numbers "belong" to Yates and Childress respectively. Yates has two teams and RCR currently has three. IN 2010 NASCAR has mandated that no car owner can have more than four teams (Two too many, but that's another complete kettle of worms). IF (massive "IF") NASCAR holds the line on this rule, and IF (not so massive an "IF" there) RCR, for example, goes to four teams, will they be required to use the #3? Will they be required to "turn in" the number to NASCAR for another number, or will a team be allowed to have as many numbers as they want, despite the fact they can use only four of them?

I thought this posed an interesting scenario and a possible situation proving The Law of Unintended Consequences is alive and well.

I'd say Bob ownin the numbers or leasing whatever you wish to call it is not part of the equation unless childress tried to have more than four actual cars on the track, but what do I know, I'm just a pi$$ant who's opinion and thoughts only count in certain circles.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I'd say Bob ownin the numbers or leasing whatever you wish to call it is not part of the equation unless childress tried to have more than four actual cars on the track, but what do I know, I'm just a pi$$ant who's opinion and thoughts only count in certain circles.

My thoughts, exactly. Why would NASCAR allow a team to have five (or more) numbers when they could only legally run four? I guess we'll wait a couple years for this to play itself out, eh?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wardfan

OK and so what hoodlum do you cheer for in the NBA as an example? Or now most recently Michael Vick. Need I say more.

sorry, but I try to not even think about the Narcotic Bums Association. I played basketball in high school, and a little in the neighbor's driveway, but I refuse to give that bunch of hoodlums a microsecond of thought much less money or respect. they're not all bad, but they got mostly rotten apples in that barrel!

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I guess it is a matter of perception again Ducky. I hold all of my sports figures to higher standards than I hold my next door neighbor to. I feel that if you want celebrity status then you better be willing to live up to it. Take a look at the Michael Vick threads.

live up to what? as best I can tell "celebrity status" means you can do just about anything and people will just shake their head and throw more money at you. where are the standards there?

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The matter of the #28 (and the #3) brings to mind a question I have. I don't think that there is a definitive answer but I'll ask it anyway...

The two above numbers "belong" to Yates and Childress respectively. Yates has two teams and RCR currently has three. IN 2010 NASCAR has mandated that no car owner can have more than four teams (Two too many, but that's another complete kettle of worms). IF (massive "IF") NASCAR holds the line on this rule, and IF (not so massive an "IF" there) RCR, for example, goes to four teams, will they be required to use the #3? Will they be required to "turn in" the number to NASCAR for another number, or will a team be allowed to have as many numbers as they want, despite the fact they can use only four of them?

I thought this posed an interesting scenario and a possible situation proving The Law of Unintended Consequences is alive and well.

do you (or does anybody, for that matter) know for a fact that any team owner has more than the max number allowed by current NASCAR rules (which includes the grandfathered Roush teams)? it seems really simple to me: julie team owner applies for number 09; NASCAR pulls julie team owner's file and sees she already has the max # of numbers in her portfolio; NASCAR deny's Julie's request.

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Get ready Racer, here's a Friday Night Special

Wow that which the above can be interpreted to encompass is soooo flippin' broad that it may well defy response that has meaning across the entire appropriate spectrum.

There's Vicky the dog fightin' man - don't "euth 'em", 'cute 'em or drown 'em. There's Dwight the "can I pitch if I'm straight in the morning?" Met, and all here can fill in the successive scenario's and examples ad nauseum (sp?).

Many of the "other" sports (By the way, Mr. Marbury has been quoted in defense of Vicky that canine throat ripping is a sport) accept pretty much any/all language thrown in to the air. Aim it at an "official" (never mind he may have money on the game), and ya get one of five personal fouls (NBA example here) maybe more if yer really vociferous. But throw it in the air targeting no one, who gives a rat's toush (governing body's position) that you've brought your 5 year old courtside to "enjoy the experience" and foster the family sharing event. Our sport says (it is our sport right?) - throw the word, pay the price. Each fan should choose the position preferred.

it strikes me as strange that NASCAR drivers aren't given the same "blind eye" that other high profile "personalities" are - And for this there must be given credit to the sanctioning body. I vote for - continue to discard the druggies, find out who's stealing the dogs, and let's keep lettin' the owners and drivers know that they will not, in our eyes, be allowed to become the "personalities" whose sports give them carte blanche behavior clearance, up to and including involvement in the taking of a human (canine for the ASPCAers) life.

we want our drivers to be personable, good looking and always happy, never succumbing to anger nor doing anything "stupid" - we sure do. And the weak will say - we'll maybe we need to relax a bit. Lower the goal, and you'll get associated results. One much smarter than I said - "aim for nothing, and you will surely hit it".

why are they on a higher pedestal than other entertainers and sports figures? - because their governing bodies have made it clear that you, Mr./ Ms./ Mrs. Fan are insignificant. Their position - Our participants (your hero's?) will be allowed to drug themselves into states that allow for performance beyond comprehension, will violate Fido, will take lives, will show you, the fan, the "digit", and you will shut your mouth and take it. We (the governing body) feel no need to defend you for you are so corrupt and in love with same, that you will continue to dump money on us even as you friggin' lemmings wimper - "it don't seem right, can I have a ticket for Tuesday nights event?".

And oh by the way (sayeth the governing body), we ain't got time for televising the national anthem. It don't seem to translate well anyway. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.

Those who serve? Maybe we'll find time if the "enemy" knocks off a few more thousand of "us". Make that "you" cause we feel insulated. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.

Oh, one last thing - we're confused about who the God of this area of the world is. Prayer - eliminated. Whatta ya gonna do about it? We (the governing body) laugh on you.


Alwright (spelling a choice), settle out Winger me boy. I don't want our sport invaded by - "it's what the other sports or celebrity driven areas of entertainment are doing". Not invaded in/by the "play offs" approach(Chase), not in the acceptance of inappropriate representations, not in this discounting of our country, it's people, it's defenders, and/or its' founding principles.

Any questions to the effect - Why are we different?, prompts the feeling - because we're friggin' better. Somebody's gotta be. Follow us, because we're dang sure not following you!

Sometimes when compared to the alternatives, a governing body doesn't look too bad.

Wing, I stand/sit in awe. that's exactly what I was looking for! I'd rather be the lead dog and watch the scenery change than the alternative...

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

live up to what? as best I can tell "celebrity status" means you can do just about anything and people will just shake their head and throw more money at you. where are the standards there?

That is the problem. When you achieve celebrity status you can then make the standards. The problem is that many people, including myself, feel that if you want us to idolize you then you better be giving me something more than what I see down the street from me. There are plenty of sports figures who can live the "normal" life but there are also a few (to many) that feel their status gives them carte blanche for whatever they want to do. I enjoy my racing but I refuse to honor them by purchasing their merchandise. I refuse to pay $200.00 for tickets to sporting events to watch attitudes galore. I may be old fashioned and I may be cheap .... but I'm not going to honor those who can't even make it to my average standards.

OK ... I'll be stepping off my soap box now.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

do you (or does anybody, for that matter) know for a fact that any team owner has more than the max number allowed by current NASCAR rules (which includes the grandfathered Roush teams)? it seems really simple to me: julie team owner applies for number 09; NASCAR pulls julie team owner's file and sees she already has the max # of numbers in her portfolio; NASCAR deny's Julie's request.

Nope, I readily admit that I DO NOT (I speak not for anyone else) possess the above emphasized knowledge. Which was exactly why I ended my post with the following:
"I thought this posed an interesting scenario and a possible situation proving The Law of Unintended Consequences is alive and well."

Your above postulate is exactly one of the possibilities I posed. My question was; will NASCAR actually enforce such a rule?

My personal feeling today is: Not a chance! They will continue business pretty much as usual and let the team owners call the shots.
In the matter of car numbers, this matters little or none. It has no affect on the actual racing and doesn't affect me in any way. However, what it does is set up a procedure where a team can "retire" a number, a subject I disagree with vigorously.

[LSC9901]

So I will now toss this question out because it does relate to the last post. It has been talked about but I've never heard a definitive answer. Can an owner actually retire a number? In theory NASCAR owns the numbers. Would RCR need permission from NA$CAR to retire the number or can he just say it is a done deal ?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So I will now toss this question out because it does relate to the last post. It has been talked about but I've never heard a definitive answer. Can an owner actually retire a number? In theory NASCAR owns the numbers. Would RCR need permission from NA$CAR to retire the number or can he just say it is a done deal ?

I guess we'll find out when the "Two Too many" Rule goes into effect. MY guess is that NA$CAR will allow "certain" teams to keep an excess of four numbers for perpituity, thus effectively "retiring" a number.