[rdutari]

The video doesn't show it clearly, but I think it is Harvick who first grabs Montoya's mask with his right hand, THEN Montoya reacts and grabs Harvick's mask. Check it here: YouTube - Kevin Harvick VS Juan Pablo Montoya

Also, it is clear that Harvick was cussing at Montoya (he said in his interview that he told him he was gonna kick his ass) so this alone is reason enough for Montoya to push him, in my oppinion. From the moment Harvick parked his car in front of Montoya's it was clear he was going to confront him. He went to him to tell him he was gonna kick his ass. I think you never saw Kevin shoving Montoya back because he basically chickened out after Montoya's response to his threat. "You're gonna kick my ass? Ok let's go..." That's what I think they were saying. Great stuff!!!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by rdutari

The video doesn't show it clearly, but I think it is Harvick who first grabs Montoya's mask with his right hand, THEN Montoya reacts and grabs Harvick's mask. Check it here: YouTube - Kevin Harvick VS Juan Pablo Montoya

Also, it is clear that Harvick was cussing at Montoya (he said in his interview that he told him he was gonna kick his ass) so this alone is reason enough for Montoya to push him, in my oppinion. From the moment Harvick parked his car in front of Montoya's it was clear he was going to confront him. He went to him to tell him he was gonna kick his ass. I think you never saw Kevin shoving Montoya back because he basically chickened out after Montoya's response to his threat. "You're gonna kick my ass? Ok let's go..." That's what I think they were saying. Great stuff!!!

Hey rdutari, welcome to GoTeamsGo and the NASCAR Forum. Thanks for stopping in and also for your opinions. Keep it up .. we love opinions. and please check out the predictions tread and enter yours for this week's race.

it's really comical how hot some of our fans get when a driver they like or don't like gets hot. like they're connected somehow. I've enjoyed reading this particular thread for the humor generated by such anger.

we all saw what we think we saw and nothing can change our minds; not even film clips! 'cause so-and-so is a rough driver and deserved what he got and that son-of-a-biscuit-eater had no right to enter into so-and-so's personal space and, horror of all horrors, touch him! He's just a big bully and the powers that be should ban him for at least a day for fighting. it's ok to be disappointed with the turn of events, but not angry. anger cannot be tolerated! and using such foul words .. my ears burn still. and so-and-so intentionally lying afterwards, the shame is too great. off with their heads, the both of them!!!

[tkj24]

Maybe Felix should watch what he says too. This was in the same article:



Felix Sabates, the co-owner of Montoya's car, visited Harvick in the garage to explain what happened and tell him he too didn't appreciate the gesture.



"I don't think Harvick wants to school him," he said. "Montoya is a kung fu expert and he would kick his ass from here to kingdom come."

He's p---ed at the 1 car," Sabates said. "He'll get his ass before the year is over. And if he doesn't, I will. That boy ain't got no brain, anyway."

[jks812]

I thought the little sissyfest was pretty funny. But seriously, Kevin was the starter of it when he parked in front of Montoya's car. The only thing I see wrong is the way Nascar is gonna handle it. They said they don't expect either one to be penalize. So why did they fine Gordon for shoving Matt at Bristol? I don't understand the difference.

[Smoke+GibbsFan]

I think someone needs to put a good ole whooping on Juan. He is involved in some sort of wreck every week. Even if Truex hit him causing him to wreck Harvick. Would anyone out there not have bumped him if he blocked you the way he blocked Truex? And I recall an interveiw with Juan (after the qualifier for the all-star race) where he claimed not to have caused the wreck, that people couldn't control their cars. Guess Juan should have had better car control and he wouldn't have taken Harvick out.

[wingkey1]

Here's a "take" - 'twas a racin' thing

Juanny (take off on "wanna be") admitted, as did his owner, to having chosen a "tall" first gear. Why? Not said, unimportant.

FACT is - tall gear = lesser (than short gear) acceleration.

Here we are - very, very late in (a road course) race - doing a restart after caution.

Ya chose a tall gear, acceleration (comparatively) sucks, position is likely more important than any other time in your event, the green flag waves, ya see some1 (with a "shorter" first gear) is clearly gonna get ya at this here restart. Whatta ya gonna do (assumming of course ya got any competitive blood at all)? Yer gonna get in his/her way, come what may. Juan did. You would too.. Count on it.

Then there's the some1 who was the victim of - "Yer gonna get in his/her way, come what may" - Whatta ya gonna do as some1 (assumming again of course ya got any competitive blood at all)? Yer gonna "make him/her aware of your presence and desire to succeed". I'm sorry, to be clear - you're gonna "drive 'im/'er" in order that the opportunity to advance is yours. You would. Count on it.

Are ya really thinkin' in either of the above positions - "Gee, I wonder if this will negatively impact Kevins', or anybodys elses' opportuinty to win/finish/succeed?" Whatta ya stupid?!?

The theatrics afterwards - not unlike the Allisons and Cale. Let it alone NASCAR. Blood gotta boil sometimes just to know there's life.

[rdutari]

Originally Posted by Smoke+GibbsFan

I think someone needs to put a good ole whooping on Juan. He is involved in some sort of wreck every week. Even if Truex hit him causing him to wreck Harvick. Would anyone out there not have bumped him if he blocked you the way he blocked Truex? And I recall an interveiw with Juan (after the qualifier for the all-star race) where he claimed not to have caused the wreck, that people couldn't control their cars. Guess Juan should have had better car control and he wouldn't have taken Harvick out.

Thanks for the welcome guys!

I agree with Smoke in that JPM really is involved in a wreck seems like every week. He even took Jimmy Johnson out of the track on a very badly judged move earlier in the race. And he was clearly responsible for the wreck at the start of the all-star race. He is a rookie and he should be more careful, specially since you need driver friends in Nascar to win at a lot of places. He should be making more friends this year, and I think he's losing the few he had. I've always liked JPM's aggressiveness, I loved the way he stood up to the great Schumacher in his early years in F1. He doesn't take ***t from anybody, I like that in a driver. It is the reason I watched and rooted for him in F1, and the rason why I'm watching Nascar this year. But in my opinion, he should tone it down a little bit and think long term. He's making too many enemies.

On the move on Truex however, in my opinion, it was a classic road course restart defending move. He was slower, true, but that doesn't mean you need to throw the gloves right there. You have to find a way that guy doesn't get in front of you.

[wardfan]

we got 3 pages of posts over a slap fest. We are playing right into the hands of the media. They will be making this a blood feud for weeks now.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by wardfan

They will be making this a blood feud for weeks now.

At this point ward it shouldn't be surprisin.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by wardfan

we got 3 pages of posts over a slap fest. We are playing right into the hands of the media. They will be making this a blood feud for weeks now.

Bingo!! Just like said in post previous in this string - 'twas a racin' thing. Move da flip on "we know drama" types.

[jks812]

Well Kevin was complaining that nobody talked abut his win at Canada in the Busch race, cause all they wanted to talk about was Robby and Ambrose. Maybe when this happened he figured he wasn't gonna win, but everybody would be talking about him this week.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Smoke+GibbsFan

I think someone needs to put a good ole whooping on Juan. He is involved in some sort of wreck every week. Even if Truex hit him causing him to wreck Harvick. Would anyone out there not have bumped him if he blocked you the way he blocked Truex? And I recall an interveiw with Juan (after the qualifier for the all-star race) where he claimed not to have caused the wreck, that people couldn't control their cars. Guess Juan should have had better car control and he wouldn't have taken Harvick out.

apparently some of us will have to agree to disagree ........ you think JPM needs a whoopin' ........ i think Harvick needs to be backed over by a Tractor Trailer

[LSC9901]

Has there been any statement from Truex yet ??? I got the impression from watching it that when they restarted Truex pulled out, Juan blocked and it looked as though Truex's nose dived down as if he tried to brake.

It was all just an unfortunate sequence of events. A lot of inaccurate statements were made by to many people before they actually saw the replays ... plus some incorrect statements after the replays.

I don't like the term "just racin'" but in this case I believe they all were racing and to many of them made the wrong moves both in and out of the cars.

[PenelopePitStop]

I knew there would be a Thread on this! The second Harvick and Montoya came face to face, I was just glued to the TV. I said out loud, "Oh, jeez, Juan! You don't wanna be messin' with Harvick!"

As I read through the posts, once again, we see what we want to see and interpret the same thing differently don't we?

It may have been the camera angle, but clearly Montoya pushed and grabbed Harvick more than Harvick pushed or grabbed Montoya. I don't like either of them, so I'm not biased at all.

IMHO, it was just racin'. And it was quite good racin' at that. I usually don't even pay attention to road courses, but that was a good race.

As for the a$$ controversy, I don't really care. I'm not going to get all hooey if Harvick gets fined or not. Should he? Probably. I just don't understand splitting hairs over what is considered a "cuss" word. B*tch is a female dog. Don't hear that much on TV ...

[simple simon]

PPS i have been waiting for you for over 24 hours now

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I said out loud, "Oh, jeez, Juan! You don't wanna be messin' with Harvick!"

why do people keep saying that ... did Harvick recently win a boxing title or something ? ....... Bruce Lee beat up people all the time and he was tiny ...... just curious why so many seem convinced Harvick would have won that fight

It may have been the camera angle, but clearly Montoya pushed and grabbed Harvick more than Harvick pushed or grabbed Montoya. I don't like either of them, so I'm not biased at all.

im curious what many here would do if you were in JPM's similar spot ?

youre in a car wreck that wasnt your fault ..... you get out to assess the damage to your car and the driver of the car you hit comes over to you ...... he gets in your face and starts swearing at you telling you he wants to kick your ass ........ just how was JPM supposed to react ?

im not angry anymore, just wish someone could explain it to me so it makes sense ...... because right now i think JPM pretty much kept his cool, how do you think it would have gone if Harvick got in most any other drivers face like that ?