[Jeffrey4318]

from this espn article ESPN - Kyle Busch mum on deal to drive for Gibbs in '08 - Nascar

Yeley hopes wherever he lands the owner will give him more support than he got at JGR this season.


"We never made huge changes to see if there was something out there that was going to help the program,'' he said.


Yeley asked team president J.D. Gibbs a month ago if he was considering changes to bring the No. 18 up to par with the teams of Tony Stewart and Denny Hamlin.

"[He said] there were not going to be any changes,'' Yeley said.

All I have to say is good for JJ. I really hope he lands on his feet with a competitive team and wins some races. Being a fan of both JJ and Bobby I know they don't give the 18 team all they need to compete. Atleast not what Tony and Denny get. I'm sure they get the same equipement that Tony and Denny get, but more like a hand me down. I'm sure when Kyle gets there Kyle will get what he wants. Atleast when Mears went to HMS, Hendrick was nice enough to shell out some money to build some Casey cars. J.D. is not his dad. If he wants to expand he better be ready to spend the money to build the cars. I don't know maybe it is because the 18 isn't as funded as the other teams. If that is the case why not bring in more sponsors? I think J.D. has forgotten what the 18 team means to JGR. I use to be the biggest JGR fan, but now J.D. has ruined that for me.

[jks812]

I read where Richard Childress said JJ would be a good addition to RCR. Maybe he'll go there. At least he'd get good equipment. Gibbs never seemed to give him no where near the same equipment that Tony and Denny gets.

[SteelPhoenyx]

I like JJ Yeley... I think he'd make a good addition to RCR.

[wardfan]

Why would a multi car team not have the same equiptment for all the cars? Why would the 18 car not have the same stuff as the 20 or 11? It doesnt seem that it would make sense to have a multi car team if you are not giving everyone the same stuff. Doesn't it make more sense to think it has to do with the driver & crews abalities?

[jks812]

I think alot of it has to do with the driver and crew, I've said before that some of the driver need to look in the mirror when looking for who to blame. But I really think if you put Denny or Tony in the #18, they wouldn't do much better either.

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by wardfan

Why would a multi car team not have the same equiptment for all the cars? Why would the 18 car not have the same stuff as the 20 or 11? It doesnt seem that it would make sense to have a multi car team if you are not giving everyone the same stuff. Doesn't it make more sense to think it has to do with the driver & crews abalities?

See that is the problem bud. Everyone has always been real high on JGR because they give the same resources to all their drivers. Well guess what? That isn't good enough in today's Cup. In today's Cup you have to tailor the car to the driver. Remember at the beginning of the year when Mears wasn't doinig so hot? They said because he was driving cars that Gordon, Jimmie, and Kyle liked. So they started building Casey cars and now he is more competitive. It is about giving the driver what feels good to them. Sure alot of it isn't just equipement, most of the time it is the crew. Remember JGR was fast to switch around some of Denny's crew because he wasn't happy with the pit stops?

Problem is JJ asked for help and JD didn't come through. JJ hasn't been given a fair shot. Most teams will switch a crew chief once or twice before they switch the driver. Have they done that for JJ? Nope he still has Steve Addington. Hell when Jason Leftler was doing bad they brought in Mike Ford. When that didn't work they got rid of Jason. JD is doing to JJ what HMS did to Busch. It isn't right, and I thought an organization like JGR was above that. I guess not.

Please retire coach and come back home and set your son straight.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wardfan

Why would a multi car team not have the same equiptment for all the cars? Why would the 18 car not have the same stuff as the 20 or 11? It doesnt seem that it would make sense to have a multi car team if you are not giving everyone the same stuff. Doesn't it make more sense to think it has to do with the driver & crews abalities?

Part of it is that one team can be used for research & development on the track. None of them will probably ever admit to it but it seems that the lesser of al the drivers is used to try new tricks. Just look back at some of the multi car teams and see who the drivers were. They may be NASCAR level drivers, but on the low end of abilities.

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Part of it is that one team can be used for research & development on the track. None of them will probably ever admit to it but it seems that the lesser of al the drivers is used to try new tricks. Just look back at some of the multi car teams and see who the drivers were. They may be NASCAR level drivers, but on the low end of abilities.

I agree with you to a point LSC. I think this is more of a practice of Nascar of the past 10 years then it is Nascar today. As you can see most of the multicar teams are trying to get all their cars into victory lane. Sponsorship is just too important not to try. Now you might have some of the teams out their like the 18 that don't get the sponsorship money like the 20 and 11. Teams like that may not get certain resources may it be equipement or crew because they don't have it in the "budget". Also I think today most of the elite teams are the one trying the new things to get the advantage. Look at the 24 and 48 at Sears Point. They got caught trying to get an advantage that the 5 and 25 didn't have. Wouldn't it of been smarter to try it out on the R&D teams first to see if they could do it then take it to the upper level?

[Quality88]

All this talk about tailoring a car to the driver has brought a thought a question to me? What happen to the days in which the drivers took it to victory lane no matter what condition the car was. Earnhardt was well known for gettin everything out of a ugly car. Awesome Bill could, maybe some of these drivers need to take off their pink panties and just wheel those cars around

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by Quality88

All this talk about tailoring a car to the driver has brought a thought a question to me? What happen to the days in which the drivers took it to victory lane no matter what condition the car was. Earnhardt was well known for gettin everything out of a ugly car. Awesome Bill could, maybe some of these drivers need to take off their pink panties and just wheel those cars around

As the cars change so do the driving styles. I really like Awesome Bill but where is he now? I don't think he lost his ability to drive but the cars aren't the same anymore.

[PettyBlue]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

As the cars change so do the driving styles. I really like Awesome Bill but where is he now? I don't think he lost his ability to drive but the cars aren't the same anymore.

Agree. The current cars are twisted sister and looked wrecked when the arrive at the track even before the race.Areo crap!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

I agree with you to a point LSC. I think this is more of a practice of Nascar of the past 10 years then it is Nascar today. As you can see most of the multicar teams are trying to get all their cars into victory lane. Sponsorship is just too important not to try. Now you might have some of the teams out their like the 18 that don't get the sponsorship money like the 20 and 11. Teams like that may not get certain resources may it be equipement or crew because they don't have it in the "budget". Also I think today most of the elite teams are the one trying the new things to get the advantage. Look at the 24 and 48 at Sears Point. They got caught trying to get an advantage that the 5 and 25 didn't have. Wouldn't it of been smarter to try it out on the R&D teams first to see if they could do it then take it to the upper level?

Agreed that sponsorship means you better produce results but ... look at the 25. It hasn't been a competitive team for a while. Vickers had a victory in that car but it was due to an accident ironically caused by him. I could see them using that car as a test vehicle for new ideas even though they still may be shooting for a victory.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

I think alot of it has to do with the driver and crew, I've said before that some of the driver need to look in the mirror when looking for who to blame. But I really think if you put Denny or Tony in the #18, they wouldn't do much better either.

Money.

Interstate batteries have been a notorious lower-paying sponsor, even when Bobby won them a championship.

Gibbs puts the money they get from all their sponsors where the sponsors dictate. Home Depot pays a slug of money; Smoke gets the benefit. FedEx is a BIG player; Hamlin gets the benefit, especially since he did so well last season.

That leaves J.J. taking the left overs.

Kyle's success and notoriety will bring a lot of focus on his ride and I bet that Either Interstate steps up their contribution or JGR gets another sponsor, which with Kyle, will be zero problem.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Money.

Interstate batteries have been a notorious lower-paying sponsor, even when Bobby won them a championship.

Gibbs puts the money they get from all their sponsors where the sponsors dictate. Home Depot pays a slug of money; Smoke gets the benefit. FedEx is a BIG player; Hamlin gets the benefit, especially since he did so well last season.

That leaves J.J. taking the left overs.

Kyle's success and notoriety will bring a lot of focus on his ride and I bet that Either Interstate steps up their contribution or JGR gets another sponsor, which with Kyle, will be zero problem.

"reap what you sow" ... "ya get what ya pay for" ... "to the victor go the spoils" ... something about tide in the morning and sailors (never could remember how that one goes....) ... and other sagely words of wisdom.

don't forget: "money is the root of all evil" .. somehow that seems appropriate also.