[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by tkj24

OK here is my veiw. Yes I feel for Boris and the rest of the road course ringers that didn't make it. If they want to make the field they should race the whole season like some of the others that are higher in points.

Originally Posted by jks812

Actually since it was rained out, I don't think any of the "ringers" should be allowed to race. The guy thats been driving all year and got where they are in points should have to race. The ringers didn't qualify for the race.

it's amazing you two agree though you worded it differently. lets look at something - actual NEXTEL Cup points of the "ringers":

qualify position, car#, driver, pts standing, 2007 Nextel Points, replaced driver
26 96 Ron Fellows 57 123 Tony Raines (rank 31)
38 55 Terry Labonte 55 131 Michael Waltrip (rank 52)
40 10 Patrick Carpentier -- --- Scott Riggs (rank 36)
41 00 P.J. Jones 53 179 David Reutimann (rank 40)
44 49 Klaus Graf -- ---
47 37 Brian Simo -- ---
48 160 Boris Said 50 346
49 177 Marcos Ambrose -- ---

now if we ordered them by driver points, none of the "ringers" would make the race except Terry Labonte via his past champ provisional. so the resulting lineup would be

31 96 Tony Raines
35 10 Scott Riggs
40 00 David Reutimann
43 55 Terry Labonte

I could live with that, but the owners probably couldn't...

[casa]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

makes me wonder if, with the positive weather report for tomorrow, NASCAR decided to stick it to Robby so his big PR deal never has a chance to be more than idle speculation... wouldn't put it past them 'cause Robby isn't liked by the brass... and I don't think they care much for Boris either .. he's not in the mold they want their "stars" to be...

maybe I'm just terribly disappointed that two good guys (Boris and Marcos) get screwed again by stupid rules and NASCAR's unbendable schedule. they just don't understand how big the "underdog" infatuation is with race fans .. another good PR opportunity blown.

Sorry, but NASCAR can't control the weather. Poor Robbie, his "big PR deal" got canceled. Do you know that Robbie is not liked by the brass? I'm sure that NASCAR decided to not let qualifiying carry over to Saturday so they could eliminate Boris and trash Robbie's "generiousity."

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by casa

Sorry, but NASCAR can't control the weather. Poor Robbie, his "big PR deal" got canceled. Do you know that Robbie is not liked by the brass? I'm sure that NASCAR decided to not let qualifiying carry over to Saturday so they could eliminate Boris and trash Robbie's "generiousity."

yer doing good .. 2 fer 2!

actually, the canceled qualifying caused a major positive with NA$CAR: putting Jeffie on the pole, thus satisfying their favorite owner. getting rid of Boris (the freak) and killing (the insubordinate) Robby's PR deal were side benefits. now with Boris' announcement that he's financially tapped out, they're dancing around their desks chanting "mission accomplished!".

but they'll have to come up with something worse than a rainstorm to keep Robby from putting Ambrose in a Cup car this season .. Robby said he would do it for any race Marcos wanted and Marcos, sitting across from him, accepted .. both drivers statements aired live on ESPN today after qualifying was called. now every time NA$CAR tries to quash Robby's PR deal, Robby will just get more and more media attention - stupid Robby, he just doesn't know who he's dealing with .. or does he?

[casa]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

yer doing good .. 2 fer 2!

actually, the canceled qualifying caused a major positive with NA$CAR: putting Jeffie on the pole, thus satisfying their favorite owner. getting rid of Boris (the freak) and killing (the insubordinate) Robby's PR deal were side benefits. now with Boris' announcement that he's financially tapped out, they're dancing around their desks chanting "mission accomplished!".

but they'll have to come up with something worse than a rainstorm to keep Robby from putting Ambrose in a Cup car this season .. Robby said he would do it for any race Marcos wanted and Marcos, sitting across from him, accepted .. both drivers statements aired live on ESPN today after qualifying was called. now every time NA$CAR tries to quash Robby's PR deal, Robby will just get more and more media attention - stupid Robby, he just doesn't know who he's dealing with .. or does he?

Jeff is certainly not my favorite driver so there will be no cheering from me on that point. I just think you are making Robby way too important. I really don't think that NASCAR cares whether Robby puts Marcus in a car or not. Why should it matter to them? Why would they want to prevent it? NASCAR is not out to get Robby Gordon. I think Robby is out to get NASCAR. And that is dumb as H____. He's mad because they penalized him. Why would he want to put Marcus in a car after he was furious at him last week and wrecked him? Robby is a mediocre driver who thinks he is more important than he is and he is and is making himself look stupid. Certainly NASCAR shoudn't have canceled qualifying because of rain and rescheduled it a day later so Robby could put Marcus in a car. Why should they change what they have always done? I'm sure that was never a consideration to them. It's ludicrous and if you or Robby think NASCAR did any of this to spite him then you both are way off base! He is just not that important.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by casa

Jeff is certainly not my favorite driver so there will be no cheering from me on that point. I just think you are making Robby way too important. I really don't think that NASCAR cares whether Robby puts Marcus in a car or not. Why should it matter to them? Why would they want to prevent it? NASCAR is not out to get Robby Gordon. I think Robby is out to get NASCAR. And that is dumb as H____. He's mad because they penalized him. Why would he want to put Marcus in a car after he was furious at him last week and wrecked him? Robby is a mediocre driver who thinks he is more important than he is and he is and is making himself look stupid. Certainly NASCAR shoudn't have canceled qualifying because of rain and rescheduled it a day later so Robby could put Marcus in a car. Why should they change what they have always done? I'm sure that was never a consideration to them. It's ludicrous and if you or Robby think NASCAR did any of this to spite him then you both are way off base! He is just not that important.

if we weren't talking about 2007 NA$CAR, but 1997 NASCAR, I'd agree with you. but in 2007, appearance is everything to NA$CAR. when anyone bucks them, they don't like it. the fact that 2 of their favorite owners are responsible for most of the major penalties this year, the reigning champion crew chief being repeat offender from last year, is embarrassing to them. Robby's antics in Montreal showed how incapable they are of actually controlling an upset, stubborn driver. That was a complete fiasco, PR-wise for them and they lost a lot of respect in the racing community when they restarted the race knowing Robby was in the wrong position. They expanded the Chase to 12 this year because Tony Stewart didn't make it last year (likely because of pressure from his owner and sponsor) and now it looks like Jr. will be pushed out. and now they're talking about "tweaking" it some more .. the Chase isn't working as planned .. the "big names" should be in, not out! they've had 2 qualifying rain outs and one race shortened because of rain. all 3 resulting in popular drivers getting the shaft. the only good this year is the COT turned out better than anyone expected, NA$CAR included.

Mike Helton said in an interview earlier this year "we ain't that smart" when asked about fixing races. and he's right, they aren't that smart. in fact, some of the things they do are absolutely stupid. when two different cars spin at two different times in the same race, neither touching the wall, nor leaving debris on the track, but one gets a 3 lap caution and the other gets a 5 lap caution because he wants to work on his car .. that's obvious and it's favoritism. and if they play favorites that way, why wouldn't they also do the opposite for those who are thorns in their side?

you are welcome to believe what you want about NA$CAR. I've been around a long time and have only seen one other racing organization as corrupt as NA$CAR is today and they went out of business, thankfully. I don't think that's a possibility for NA$CAR, but they're loosing their fan base, and they're loosing popularity. this isn't a natural cycle or a temporary reset, the sport is suffering under inept and corrupt leadership.

and it's breaking my heart...

[I Flip For Carl]

"NASCAR made official Friday something that we already know, but something that it hates to admit. Some races are just more important than others"

However I feel that it is truly more like this:


Some racers are just more important than others.



Here is the remainder of the story

Life in the Turn Lane

[I Flip For Carl]

I have a thought but I know that it would never happen, not even in a million year's ,but here it is,

Nascar should have an official forum where fan's can voice their opinion's and suggestion's on how Nascar can be made better. However ,the forum should be closely monitored where fan's can speak their mind in a civil ,mature manner and if they can't behave be banned.I mean some people might just have some good suggestion's and they could also start topic's asking how would you do such and such ,then maybe take the best suggestion's into consideration .

I mean Nascar used to say that it was all about the fan's ,but as of late its all about Nascar and the almighty $.

Yes,I know thats why THEY work IN Nascar and we are only on the outside

[jks812]

Boris is getting to race after all. Bill Elliot is putting him in the #21. I'm so glad.

[jks812]

Now, as far as qualifying being rained out, they could have let the go or go home cars qualify this morning. At least that way they would have had a chance. But I've said it before, Nascar wants to get rid of the small teams.

[Racer Duck]

what's even more important, it hasn't been covered up by the media. Boris has been the spokesman for the underdogs and has done a great job of it and ESPN has done a good job giving him a mike and podium to speak. Lots more people, fans and non-fans, now understand the plight of the "un-Chosen" and it's unfairness.

[Quality88]

There are days the busch boys qualify just hours before they race.... why can't cup do that? or atleast hold of a day?

[LSC9901]

It is possible that there could be changes on the horizon. With name drivers like Jarrett and Waltrip, among others, and Toyota not getting in on speed that would get them in otherwise, NASCAR may have to address the issue.

Simple fix ... 43 fastest get to race. The fans would be happy, Toyota might be happier and the sponsors .... might be happy .. at least 43 of them would be.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

"I don't know why they couldn't just have qualifying tomorrow when it's going to be sunny," Said said. "They don't want the little guy in the sport, basically.

I had the same question and I was advised that it was primarily a matter of television, and secondarily a matter of logistics and getting track personnel there early in the morning.

The TV contract called for Friday afternoon qualifying and sponsors would not pay for a time frame early on Saturday morning. Because of the Saturday Cup Lite schedule, the only time available Saturday was around 0700 est (0400 on the Left Coast).

Secondly, they said there was a potential problem with getting track personnel, track officials and safety people there that early? That sounds like cop-out to take some pressure off the above excuse which, IMNSVHO, just stinks!

I've said it before and will gladly say it again; NASCAR should make no decision affecting the racing and the competition based on either television nor sponsors.

[jks812]

So they let the go or go homers qualify without it being televised. No big deal. Just let them qualify. Tell the personel before they leave on Fri. what time to be there Sat. morning,Nascar's the boss not the personel. Again no big deal. They could do it if they wanted to. Problem being they don't want to.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

So they let the go or go homers qualify without it being televised. No big deal. Just let them qualify. Tell the personel before they leave on Fri. what time to be there Sat. morning,Nascar's the boss not the personel. Again no big deal. They could do it if they wanted to. Problem being they don't want to.

Nope. NA$CAR is no longer "Da' Boss." Everyone (well, virtually "everybody") thought that getting the Cup races on TV each week, via the major networks was going to be the best thing since free sex.

Well, that little deal has gotten NASCAR a full partnership with major media.

Everyone (well, virtually "everybody") sees nothing wrong with these "mega-teams." These "mega-team" have caused the price of running a team from $7 million in 1995 to around $30 million today. This increased cost has brought aboard bigger, higher paying sponsors and these sponsors have also formed a partnership with NA$CAR (Chosen 35 Rule).

Sorry, but it can no longer be said that NASCAR is 'Da Boss." Now, it's just one big happy family of business associates.