[rave20]

OK the new Race for the Chase points format seems to be a hit although I'm sure a few of you will disagree. If you're in charge how would you tweak it?

Points for qualifying?

More points for a win?

Bonus points for highest average finisher in each quarter?

Lose additional points for a DNF or DNQ?

Additional points if your name is Stewart...

What do you think?
You are Brian France today make it better!

[Smoke842]

I would definitely increase the points for a win, otherwise I think everything else is fine. Oh, and if your car is orange and doesn't have a wireless name on it, you should receive an extra 50 points per race.

[LSC9901]

I do disagree with the Chase period. It eliminates the long shot possibilty but I guess I am one of the few. I like the way my fantasy league does the scoring. One nice addition to our points syetm is that you get points for qualifying position and you also get points for improving your finshing position compared to you qualifying position.

[TN_Gal]

I think the pole gets their reward...Bud Shoot Out Invite and pick of the pits.

You can win from any starting position. Points apply to racing and teamwork in the pits.

Just my opinion....

[26 miles from Joplin]

I agree with points for the pole. Because some track's you have 43 car's within a half second or so. I think Nascar should deduct point's more often for wrecking someone on purpose, that would eliminate alot of the well he checked-up or he drove up under me. Don't get me wrong I like the drama but if they wreck someone on purpose and it's odvious take point's. Cheater's should loss point's everytime they get caught, no if's and's or butt's.

[oncea3fan]

I would give another 20 pts. for win, bonus pts. only for green flag racing. no staying out to get pts for leading under caution, if you can stay there for a lap under green fine .
pit selection would be from last to first, stir things up. but the pole winner would get 5 bonus points.

and I'd drop the top 35 rule , the fastest 43 cars start the race. it's not fair for a start up team to be faster than a starter and still go home. right now qualifing isn't a priority because they know they have spot.

[LSC9901]

I disagree with reversing the pit selection process. Winning the pole does take work when there is no "Knausing" involved. (For the uninitiated "Knausing" is the new NASCAR term for cheating) The better you do is what entitles you to a better pick. I do like the idea of the best 43 cars versus some guaranteed spot in the race. I also believe that rules infractions ("Knausing") should result in loss of points. Financial penalties sre no deterent to "Knausing".

[oncea3fan]

my thought on the pit selection would be that it would give the slowers car a better chance at good track position/finish, were as the 5 point bonus would be the reward for the front row, maybe give 2 points for the outside.
with only the fastest cars getting in, you/they/teams would be able to loolygag qualifing.when your not fast in Q's now ,it's a hurdle just to get in the race with only 7-8 spots open, then if you do make it in you have a bad pit stop,which puts you in a hole each stop under caution, how long is new sponsor gonna hang in there.

think this would make the points tighter

[KENVOL]

I don't like the "chase" period. It make people not need to win but just run around the track to get points. But as points go take away point for racing in the Bush or have to start from the back. Get points for qualifying position and draw for pit selection. Everyone must qualify with more points for a win. Also deduct 100 points every time #20 wrecks someone.

[rave20]

I think it's kind of ironic that so many people think the chase format takes away the dark horse and that it seems to reward those who don't push quite as hard.

The dark horse: The old point system meant you knew who the only two or three guys were that could win the title by the last third of the season. Under this format even someone who had a slow start has a chance to get in and then a real shot at winning. Ten guys have a chance to win now. No way that happened under the old system.

Stroking: The system was promoted saying it would force teams to race harder not points race. In fact it seems to reward those who points race even more. In the last ten races there is no room for error..even someone elses! Now I don't mean to say the winners have points raced but overall if you try too hard you'll take yourself out of it in the last 10 races. 15 more points for a win, 15 for leading the most laps and 10 extra for second could certinly help that along!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

my thought on the pit selection would be that it would give the slowers car a better chance at good track position/finish

Disagree ... The slow guys are generally in the way to begin with so now you want to reward them by giving them a better pit so that they can get in the way when everyone pits under the green ??? NO !!! You may change the point system but I think reversing the pick order for the pit is more of a punishment for the good qualifiers, than it could ever be a reward for the slower cars. Hope that makes some sense. The team works hard for a good qualifying spot so they can reap the rewards, not to see them given to someone else. If you don't lead the last lap you don't win, even if you lead the most. Second is your reward for finishing 2nd so the pick of the pit should also go to those who perform the best. It is just part of why they try so hard to get the pole.

[24hendrick48]

Originally Posted by rave20

OK the new Race for the Chase points format seems to be a hit although I'm sure a few of you will disagree. If you're in charge how would you tweak it?

Points for qualifying?

More points for a win?

Bonus points for highest average finisher in each quarter?

Lose additional points for a DNF or DNQ?

Additional points if your name is Stewart...

What do you think?
You are Brian France today make it better!

No points for qualifying
Yes. More points for a win.
No quarterly points!!!
No loss of points for DNF or DNQ.
Don't get me started on Tony "The Wreckmaster" Stewart!!!
I think that after the field of 10, or 11, etc., is determined they should have their own separate points system (similar to what they start the chase with) based on their finishing position. For instance, Mark Martin finishes 4th but he is ahead of the rest of the chasers he gets 50 points, the 2nd chaser behind Martin gets 45 points and so on. On the other hand, Mark Martin wins the race, he gets the 50 points plus the bonus points for the win. This is all just an example, but I think something along these lines is needed. If something similar to this was in effect, JJ, KB and KK wouldn't be so far in the hole due to circumstances beyond their control.

[azrael492]

I have only recently started watching nascar. A friend got me hooked on it. I don't have a favorite driver yet, so I am not biased. Would it be so bad to only give points in the order you finished. I think there are too many points handed out. Who cares if yo led 100 laps in the race. You didn't place in the top 5 better luck next time. I don't know what the point difference whould be, but I think it is unfair to win the race and not get the most points.

I think it was Kurt Busch the year he won the points. I don't think he won that many races and still won the championship. There is just somethng wrong to me for getting points for almost doing good.

As I have said, I am new to this sport. If I am completely wrong on this please explain it to me.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by azrael492

I have only recently started watching nascar. A friend got me hooked on it. I don't have a favorite driver yet, so I am not biased. Would it be so bad to only give points in the order you finished. I think there are too many points handed out. Who cares if yo led 100 laps in the race. You didn't place in the top 5 better luck next time. I don't know what the point difference whould be, but I think it is unfair to win the race and not get the most points.

I think it was Kurt Busch the year he won the points. I don't think he won that many races and still won the championship. There is just somethng wrong to me for getting points for almost doing good.

As I have said, I am new to this sport. If I am completely wrong on this please explain it to me.

I have no problem with the points being awared, I do have a problem with so few for a win and if most laps led get points I think the pole setter should too. I think NASCAR will change the amount of points for a win and possiable award points for the poll setter. It was too uncomforable this year when Kasey ( a popular driver) with 5 wins almost didn't make the chase. And now in the chase we see the same problem. I want to see a driver race to win, I'am not much for consistancy. It dosen't set well with me that's what it takes to be a champion. A champion dosen't even have to win a race. That sucks and I could never feel they are a champion.

[LSC9901]

Grandma, Grandma, Grandma ... what are we going to do with you. (LOL). On the other side of the coin I am one of the people who feel that consistency should be rewarded. The effort required to be in the top 10 all the time versus winning 4 of 36 races, to me, is greater. Grandma and I will constantly disagree on this issue but she is still a sweetheart and I respect her point of view.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to award points for qualifying ???? The car most often has two different setups. One for qualifying and then a race setup. Basically two different cars. Thats another story for another thread. By qualifying well you theoretically enable yourself to finish the race in a better position. There's your reward.

I'm not much for open wheel racing so I have no idea how they score points but it would be interesting to hear some points of view on their system. For me the biggest issue in the points system would be to get rid of the chase. As shown by 3wide (another forum poster) Stewart would be in 6th place right now and Kasey would be in 11th place. As we all know there is no way possible that anyone can now break into the top 10.

Changes are needed but they need to be well thought out changes versus what has been done in the pa$t. The France family has made extra efforts to turn NA$CAR into their personal bank. That in itself is OK but they have taken racing out of NA$CAR.