[Racer Duck]

with all the opinions flying around over the ending of the Busch race in Montreal, I thought we ought to have a poll to see just how everyone feels about the sequence of events and who is really to blame.

[jks812]

I'll start it off. I voted Nascar. They made the mistake and let it all happen and now trying to put the blame somewhere else.

[kcoruol]

NASCAR gave the green flag with Robby Gordon not placed where they said he should be.

Marcus for hitting Gordon under a yellow flag.

Robby for coming back and hitting him and then not following NASCAR directions.

Kevin Harvick for not doing a better burn out.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

NASCAR gave the green flag with Robby Gordon not placed where they said he should be.

Marcus for hitting Gordon under a yellow flag.

Robby for coming back and hitting him and then not following NASCAR directions.

Kevin Harvick for not doing a better burn out.

now you know why I have Happy in the poll.

[oncea3fan]

yes NASCAR was mainly at fault, drivers will be driver, but nascar was not (surprise) consistant. robby should have been put in 1 or 2 , I think a cooler head would have come over robby and the race to the finish would have been hard and exciting.

nascar simply added fuel to the fire by screwing robby, I just don't know why they decided to do that other then they wanted a foriegn driver to win this race to help promote globle driver interest.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

yes NASCAR was mainly at fault, drivers will be driver, but nascar was not (surprise) consistant. robby should have been put in 1 or 2 , I think a cooler head would have come over robby and the race to the finish would have been hard and exciting.

nascar simply added fuel to the fire by screwing robby, I just don't know why they decided to do that other then they wanted a foriegn driver to win this race to help promote globle driver interest.

so why didn't they "engineer" a way for Fellows to win? He's from Toronto!

[harvick29]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

yes NASCAR was mainly at fault, drivers will be driver, but nascar was not (surprise) consistant. robby should have been put in 1 or 2 , I think a cooler head would have come over robby and the race to the finish would have been hard and exciting.

nascar simply added fuel to the fire by screwing robby, I just don't know why they decided to do that other then they wanted a foriegn driver to win this race to help promote globle driver interest.

COME ON! I AGREE WITH YOU JUST NOT THE FORIEGN DRIVER PART.

[Bob Tanner]

It wasn't a driver issue; someone said "drivers will be drivers."

It was a NASCAR issue, and once more took a bad situation and made it worse.

A lot of times these on-the-spot decisions are much more difficult than it appears to the viewer. If any of you have ever officiated, or have been subject to officiating at a race track, you'll understand exactly what I mean. There is often a lot happening which the TV viewer, nor the fan in the stands sees, or is privy to. Being an official is often a thankless job and good officiating is almost a stone-solid guarantee not to make you many friends.

The way I, personally, see it is that this whole mess was different. NASCAR, rightly or wrongly, made a call. Robby was to go back to 13th place (I admit I don't fully understand the logic behind that call, but refer to sentence three in paragraph three, above). Even after seeing Gordon ignore the decision and then further ignore the threat to quick scoring him as a result of a impending black flag, they started the race anyway. Only the most naive out there did not fully expect for Robby to turn Ambrose at the first opportunity.

Who was the good guy and who was the villain is immaterial in this case. The blame going 100% on the shoulders of NASCAR and it's ineffectual rule enforcement.

Instead of a green flag, a red flag should have been thrown and an official could have gone out and stood in front of Gordon's car . Then restart the field for a final pace lap and when the appropriate opening came for Robby to fall into, the official could move. If Robby would have attempted to move over the official, then you would have had a criminal charge and that is another completely different story.

What happened on the restart is, IMNSVHO NASCAR fault. That's my feeling and I'm, sticking to it.

BTW, IF NASCAR would have staged the thing for a "foreign driver" to win, my bet is that they would have favored Carpentier; He's a Quebec "home boy."

[nascarfan24]

Gordon was at fault, he just plain didn't follow the rules

[LSC9901]

it's so tough to fihure out who is the worst bad guy. Two really good choices here.

[jks812]

I know Nascar made the statement that Robby had not passed Ambrose before the caution came out. In that instance then he should have restarted in 2nd, since he was clearly then spun under the caution.
Now, watched NascarNow tonight. Ambrose and Robby were both interviewed. Found something that Ambrose said to be interesting. He said Robby passed him and when he spun Robby, the spin and the caution coming out happened at the same time.
Now, who ain't telling the truth, Nascar or Ambrose?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

I know Nascar made the statement that Robby had not passed Ambrose before the caution came out. In that instance then he should have restarted in 2nd, since he was clearly then spun under the caution.
Now, watched NascarNow tonight. Ambrose and Robby were both interviewed. Found something that Ambrose said to be interesting. He said Robby passed him and when he spun Robby, the spin and the caution coming out happened at the same time.
Now, who ain't telling the truth, Nascar or Ambrose?

Both ???

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Both ???

As much as I hate to say it, one has to be telling the truth. They also said the reason Robby was placed 13th was because he was still basically racing when the caution came out, but if he was, so was Ambrose. I think they trying to clear it up without having to say we made a mistake. But obviously they forgot to tell Ambrose what story to tell.

[LSC9901]

The only thing I'll say in defense of NASCAR is that they have to make split second decisions. Like in any sport those in charge can and do make wrong calls. This just may have been one of those cases.

[harvick29]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

The only thing I'll say in defense of NASCAR is that they have to make split second decisions. Like in any sport those in charge can and do make wrong calls. This just may have been one of those cases.

split second? not in this case there was no split second decision.how many laps did they run under that final caution at 30 miles an hour.