[jks812]

Nascar is just getting frustrating. The races on tv was beginning to feel like they had more commercials than actual racing. They are now trying to make their drivers like robots, with what they can and can't say. While I understand that, the occasional **** or damn don't hurt anybody. They try to get the drivers to move over and let each other by, especially the leader. And they won't stick with one set of rules. It's like they come up with some of the rules to fit the purpose at the moment. While I understand their reason for the lucky dog and I'm okay with it, they should limit how many times during the race one driver can get it.
I've never been to a race live in all 30 years I've been a fan. Never really wanted to go one. I enjoy watching at home. But yes I do spend a good bit on Nascar stuff.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

Nascar is just getting frustrating. The races on tv was beginning to feel like they had more commercials than actual racing. They are now trying to make their drivers like robots, with what they can and can't say. While I understand that, the occasional **** or damn don't hurt anybody. They try to get the drivers to move over and let each other by, especially the leader. And they won't stick with one set of rules. It's like they come up with some of the rules to fit the purpose at the moment. While I understand their reason for the lucky dog and I'm okay with it, they should limit how many times during the race one driver can get it.
I've never been to a race live in all 30 years I've been a fan. Never really wanted to go one. I enjoy watching at home. But yes I do spend a good bit on Nascar stuff.

I actually don't think NASCAR would care much about an occasional curse word if it weren't for the FCC and their rule about cursing on the airwaves.

But NASCAR does stick to one set of rules, it's just that they choose which they will enforce and which they won't for each incident. there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason why they choose to enforce a rule one time and not another.

the good about seeing a race live is you get to watch what you want and you can "feel" and "smell" the race, plus there's no commercial breaks.

the bad about seeing a race live is there aren't replays, nobody explaining what's going on, and the guy behind you is spilling beer down your back while he's cussing out some driver for a real or imagined sin. plus there's usually a line at the restroom, at the snack bar, at the souvenir stand and to get out.

still, it's a great experience.

[jks812]

I would like to experience one live. But however there is this thing about crowds that won't allow me to.

[kcoruol]

I think suspending Jimmie Johnson's crew chief for 6 games and a $100,000 fine because the car was a fraction of an inch off or fining Tony Stewart (I'm no fan of his) for saying a bad word of which I've heard worst on prime time, is a bit excessive on NASCAR's part.

Can you imagine Dennis Rodman being fined for saying a naughty word or Atlanta's QB Micheal Vick being suspended for 6 games because his cleats measured in at 1/100 of inch too long.

I've recently become a NASCAR fan precisely because NASCAR isn't going to allow their drivers, to go the way of the NFL or NBA, which are a who's who of thugs and criminals.

ESPN put Tony Stewart's potty mouth on the air for all to hear. There's something called a delay loop where it gives ESPN a couple of seconds to hit the beep button for a slip of the tongue.

There should be a middle ground between dogfighting, steroids, rape, weapons charges, DUI, drugs, assault, wife beating, girlfriend beating etc etc and your car being a fraction of an inch off or because you said a naughty word.

IMHO

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

I think suspending Jimmie Johnson's crew chief for 6 games and a $100,000 fine because the car was a fraction of an inch off or fining Tony Stewart (I'm no fan of his) for saying a bad word of which I've heard worst on prime time, is a bit excessive on NASCAR's part.
Can you imagine Dennis Rodman being fined for saying a naughty word or Atlanta's QB Micheal Vick being suspended for 6 games because his cleats measured in at 1/100 of inch too long..

If you talk with some of the techies here on this forum you'll get a far better understanding of what a fraction of an inch can do to the aerodynamics of the car. As for the naughty word .... if you read through some of our threads on that subject you'll see many opinions. My point is that there is a rule against it. Maybe the credibility of some of the other sports would be higher if they did have rules in place to discourage some of the behavior that occurs[/quote]

I've recently become a NASCAR fan precisely because NASCAR isn't going to allow their drivers, to go the way of the NFL or NBA, which are a who's who of thugs and criminals.

ESPN put Tony Stewart's potty mouth on the air for all to hear. There's something called a delay loop where it gives ESPN a couple of seconds to hit the beep button for a slip of the tongue.

Even though I agree that they could have prevented the issue Tony is the one who caused the issue. Punishment was basically requested by him

There should be a middle ground between dogfighting, steroids, rape, weapons charges, DUI, drugs, assault, wife beating, girlfriend beating etc etc and your car being a fraction of an inch off or because you said a naughty word.

IMHO

Well look at it this way ... Michael Vick has destroyed his entire career and if convicted could go to jail. Would you rather go to jail or have your mega sponsor pay $100 grand ???

[jks812]

I understand they have a delay timer and all that they could use. But the drivers know that it's against the rules to cuss on the air and I just don't think the network should have to babysit them, they are grown men.
As far as Johnson's crew chief. I also didn't think Jr and Eury should have gotten the punishment they did for the wrong bolts. But still, they were the wrong ones. If it didn't matter which ones they used, there would be no right or wrong ones.
If it didn't matter how high or low the cars were, there would be no measuremnet for it. Knaus, like Eury, knew it was wrong.
Best thing they can do, if you don't want the punishment, don't bring the rule.
Unlike NBA, NFL and others, at least Nascar has rules and will punish those who break them.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

I understand they have a delay timer and all that they could use. But the drivers know that it's against the rules to cuss on the air and I just don't think the network should have to babysit them, they are grown men.
As far as Johnson's crew chief. I also didn't think Jr and Eury should have gotten the punishment they did for the wrong bolts. But still, they were the wrong ones. If it didn't matter which ones they used, there would be no right or wrong ones.
If it didn't matter how high or low the cars were, there would be no measuremnet for it. Knaus, like Eury, knew it was wrong.
Best thing they can do, if you don't want the punishment, don't bring the rule.
Unlike NBA, NFL and others, at least Nascar has rules and will punish those who break them.

the networks risk fines from the FCC if they "allow" any of the "banned words" to hit the airwaves. that's why they do it. unfortunately, ESPN is a "cable-only" network and cable-only falls under different (and more relaxed) rules.

still, there are rules in NASCAR .. and not one of the folks who've been punished for breaking them have said they were not aware of the rule. kinda like a kid swiping a cookie from the jar when momma just told him "No!" - they must figure the cookie is worth the punishment.

[jks812]

I guess that's a good point. Kinda like you always want to do what you're told you can't do. They do all know the rules and still choose to break them. Thats why instead of money I would like to see Nascar start taking major points. If for cheating they took 300 points instead of 100, how many do you think would do it knowingly? Especially if you're in the top 12? 100 points didn't hurt Gordon or Johnson, but what would 300 have done? Just seems to me if they really want the rule breaking to stop, they got to make the punishment outweigh the benefit.

[3fanforever]

They can't have one rule for network TV and more lax rule for cable. One rule rules them all, so to speak. That's what they all have to abide by.
And they don't want to confuse the poor drivers any more than they already are about some of the rules NASCAR has.
Also, fining drivers for rule infractions doesn't mean much to them these days.
They make so much money, the fines NASCAR imposes are a drop in the bucket. So where does all the money NASCAR gets in fines go anyway?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by 3fanforever

They can't have one rule for network TV and more lax rule for cable. One rule rules them all, so to speak. That's what they all have to abide by.
And they don't want to confuse the poor drivers any more than they already are about some of the rules NASCAR has.
Also, fining drivers for rule infractions doesn't mean much to them these days.
They make so much money, the fines NASCAR imposes are a drop in the bucket. So where does all the money NASCAR gets in fines go anyway?

I think it was Rusty that asked that very same question Sunday. He said that it used to go into the points fund, but didn't know if that was still the case...

[I Flip For Carl]

A friend wrote this

" Remember when NASCAR was NASCAR
you brought what you had unloaded it and raced it till it ran out

you did not care who sponsored who you knew the driver by their number

rubbin was racing

racing was getting it done

sponsors did not cram their products down our throats (or wait they use to hand out cigs to the fans for free)... take that one back ( oh NASCAR did thanks to NEXTEL) now that has all changed too next yr it will be SPRINT NASCAR Series... what a confusing way to be

moonshine was ran

beer bottles were the choice of people now it is all plastic this and that so that jeff gordon wont get hit with a bottle in dega

we did not have to worry with all these pansy drivers who are afraid to be hit with bottles.... or fists

the way to settle a argument that started on the track was to get out of you car track that person down and beat the living crap out of them or at least make them think you were going to leave them without a arm or limb..."