[Phils20]

OK< when you are told to go the 13th position on the restart, do not do it, and wreck the leader, what should the punishment be.

Oh, and lets just factor in that absurd interview after the race today on ESPN.

I think he should be suspended from Busch series competition indefinitely, be given a 43rd place finish, and be suspended from tomorrows race.

I'm sure this will bring some strong opinions, on both sides.

Fire away, this was one wild finish today. The Cup boys will be hard pressed to top it.

It's a crime what happened to Ambrose, and punishment should be swift and brutal.

Yes, Ambrose turned him, but______
fill in the blank with your views

[I Flip For Carl]

Originally Posted by Phils20

OK< when you are told to go the 13th position on the restart, do not do it, and wreck the leader, what should the punishment be.

Oh, and lets just factor in that absurd interview after the race today on ESPN.

I think he should be suspended from Busch series competition indefinitely, be given a 43rd place finish, and be suspended from tomorrows race.

I'm sure this will bring some strong opinions, on both sides.

Fire away, this was one wild finish today. The Cup boys will be hard pressed to top it.

It's a crime what happened to Ambrose, and punishment should be swift and brutal.

Yes, Ambrose turned him, but______
fill in the blank with your views

I agree whole heartedly !

Yes, Ambrose turned him, but _we have learned Robby's driving style and know all too well that he would of spun Marcos in the final turn just to get the win

[I Flip For Carl]

AUSSIE!!! AUSSIE !!! AUSSIE!!! OUI !!! OUI !!! OUI !!!

It was absolutely disgraceful what he did, both to the race leader and NASCAR. And given that Robby Gordon is also an owner, I think the punishment should extend into that. I'm thinking suspension from running any races. If NASCAR doesn't clamp down and I mean clamp down HARD for such a blatent disregard of the rules, it would mean anyone can do whatever they want, essentially.

[jks812]

Yes Ambrose turned him, under the caution. If Robby wasn't leading how did he turn him under caution?

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by jks812

Yes Ambrose turned him, under the caution. If Robby wasn't leading how did he turn him under caution?

This is what ESPN failed to show or mention. Ambrose was still in the lead when the melee happened behind them and the yellow came out. It's not until more than 10 seconds after that when Robby knocked the fire outta Ambrose, you can see it happen while the wreck going on and it happened again well after the caution was out in the next turn. Ambrose turning Robby was retaliation from Robby hitting him, but it was all under caution so no matter what, it was supposed to remain Ambrose 1st Robby 2nd.

After that, Robby was told for some reason he was to be in 12th. Now although he should have been second anyway, he refused to listen to NASCAR and NASCAR restarted the race anyway, leaving Ambrose, who should have been the leader before any of this happened, to be wrecked by Gordon. Now you have 3 guys thinking they won the race, and I firmly believe NASCAR is at fault for this.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by jks812

Yes Ambrose turned him, under the caution. If Robby wasn't leading how did he turn him under caution?

That may be true.

To me the issue is, did NACAR tell him he is in 13th? Yes.

Did he not comply? Yes.

Did he turn the race leader, when he was in a spot he was not even supposed to be in? Yes.

Has he done this type of stuff before? Yes.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Phils20

That may be true.

To me the issue is, did NACAR tell him he is in 13th? Yes.

Did he not comply? Yes.

Did he turn the race leader, when he was in a spot he was not even supposed to be in? Yes.

Has he done this type of stuff before? Yes.

Was he running 13th when the caution came out? No

[Phils20]

It should have been Robby 2nd, I agree.

But is was chicken#$%# of Roby to wreck him. They should have pulled Robby from the track before even starting the race.

The big problem with that was I think NASCAR was afraid that a bunch of cars were going to run out of fuel if they delayed.

Just a disgusting way to end a race. I love door banging action, but there was a lot of stuff there at the end that was just BS racing. And most of it started by Cup drivers.

nascar has once again allowed itself to be in controvesy......i have seen it time and time again but this is a disgrace.....come home marcus as this series is missed managed and allowed to be bullied by a handful rich spoilt adult kids.

[SteelPhoenyx]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but it looked like R Gordon passed Ambrose under caution anyway, then due to taking the turns badly and checking up right in front of Ambrose, of course he's going to get turned. Looks like he did it to himself.

Even if that isn't the way it played out, bumping Ambrose under caution deliberately, ignoring the order to move to behind the 33, and then deliberately wrecking Ambrose deserves some pretty severe punishment, starting with not being allowed to race tomorrow. What a jacka$$.

[Phils20]

Originally Posted by SteelPhoenyx

Correct me if I'm wrong... but it looked like R Gordon passed Ambrose under caution anyway, then due to taking the turns badly and checking up right in front of Ambrose, of course he's going to get turned. Looks like he did it to himself.

Even if that isn't the way it played out, bumping Ambrose under caution deliberately, ignoring the order to move to behind the 33, and then deliberately wrecking Ambrose deserves some pretty severe punishment, starting with not being allowed to race tomorrow. What a jacka$$.

Yep, that is exactly how I saw it as well.

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by SteelPhoenyx

Correct me if I'm wrong... but it looked like R Gordon passed Ambrose under caution anyway, then due to taking the turns badly and checking up right in front of Ambrose, of course he's going to get turned. Looks like he did it to himself.

Even if that isn't the way it played out, bumping Ambrose under caution deliberately, ignoring the order to move to behind the 33, and then deliberately wrecking Ambrose deserves some pretty severe punishment, starting with not being allowed to race tomorrow. What a jacka$$.

You are wrong. Watch it again. Caution did not come out until after Robby passed Marcus. Also remember Robby didn't spin Ambrose he may of roughed him up but didn't spin him. I don't want to hear this "tony" about Robby being the bigger man. Ambrose is just as bad as Robby and the eventual race winner. Ambrose could of waited for everything to settle down and race Robby for the win. Did he? Nope, he turned Robby under caution no less. Watch it again when Robby was making the pass on Ambrose the caution wasn't out. It didn't come out until the corner where Ambrose chose to be the "bigger" man and spin Robby. Nascar screwed Robby. It was a chicken "tony" move by Na$car. They wanted a foreigner to win on a foreign track. It is everything they alwasy wanted. Nascar to go global.

Ambrose got what he deserved. He took it the next step with Robby and Robby dished it back. How blind can some be? Nascar will do what they can do to make it seem right in their eyes. But today? They screwed up. Today they lost me as a fan of Nascar. Will I still watch? Yes. I will watch for the drivers and teams. I will cheer the drivers and boo Nascar. Today NASCAR showed their true colors. Today they showed it is all about the all mighty dollar. Nascar should give the win to Robby. I mean if they can punish him why not Harvick? Didn't Harvick intentionally spin Pruett because he didn't give him a racing lane? Just another racing deal right? Well that pass Robby made on Ambrose was just the same thing. You know what? It was the cleanest of the three. Robby didn't spin anyone. Not until after Ambrose spun him.

[Phils20]

Amazing how folks can see the same thing, and see differnet things.

I won't waste time trying to convince you I'm right.

But I will ask you if you think it is OK that Robby spun Amrose after NASCAR made the chioce, however wrong it might have been, to place him in 12th?

And that was not heat of the moment. He had a couple yellow flag laps to think about it, and still did it.

That was just wrong.

I have no real idea where the got the 12th place restart thing either. But my biggest beef is that spin, after he was black flagged.

It was just dead wrong. At that point, Robby's beef was with NASCAR, it he took it out on the only person he could, Ambrose.

For that reason alone, he could never, never, never, be given that win.

[jks812]

After Ambrose turned him under the caution, I must admit I have no problem with him turning Ambrose on the restart. Nobody seems to have a problem with Harvick turning Pruett. What's the difference? The difference is that it was Robby.