[BringBackWilkesboro]

I can't even begin to sort my fellings out on this one. With a few laps to go on a restart, everyone at the front of the pack was beating on each other and the started a huge pileup in turn 10. While that was happening, Robby Gordon started beating on Marcus Ambrose and wound up getting by him, but it was after the Yellow had already come out, so Gordon should have remained in second. BUT, while Robby was still ahead of Ambrose (again, where he is not supposed to be), Ambrose payed him back. Robby spun out (one more time, after the caution was already out) and fell to what NASCAR determined as 12th.

Now, the problem I have, is that NASCAR said that Robby should be 12th on the restart, but Robby felt he should have been either the leader or second, I don't know. He stayed behind Ambrose and refused to go back to where NASCAR said he should be, and NASCAR then chose to restart the race anyway with Gordon still behind Ambrose. Inevitably, Robby spun Ambrose, and Ambrose lost the race.

NASCAR made a bad move by restarting the race without having Gordon move back and letting him wreck Ambrose. Although I think Robby should have been second anyway based on when the yellow flew, NASCAR somehow decided he was 12th, but didn't make move back. How does that or anything else about this finish make sense?

[jks812]

So if he passed Ambrose after the yellow came out, then he should have restarted in 2nd. Now regardless of that Ambrose turned him under the caution. How many other guys have been penalized for purposefully hitting someone under the yellow?

[I Flip For Carl]

Gordon must be blind is all I've got to say ,as when they told him to get behind the 33 he replied "I don't see the 33 " and he sped up behind Marcos to get back in 2nd .

I thought that it was funny when he started doing donuts THINKING that he had won the race .

KUDOS to Marcos for smiling even though all of the bs and the fact that Nascar cheated him out of his first win


AUSSIE!!! AUSSIE !!! AUSSIE!!! OUI !!! OUI !!! OUI !!!

[jks812]

In my opinion, Nascar screwed Ambrose and Robby both.

what an absolute disgrace, I have been watching nascar for near on 10 years here in Australia and seen some of the worst managerial decisions by a govering body controling a series. but this one does it for me, maybe because it's an Aussie involved or not but nascar has once again allow itself to be placed in controvesy because of it's miss management of competitors who try and bully their way in this sport. shame on nascar.....this series will now be down graded in my eyes and where possible will influence when and where I use products that have a sponsorship role with the sport. i will not be making an effort anymore to watch there programming.
the one thing i was thankful for today, that rusty wallace was not commentating and steve wallace was getting all the tv space...this kid has alot handed to him and is highly over rated.
sorry for the typos
come home marcus this series is not what its all cracked out to be..............as they say, dont believe the hype

[Phils20]

Robby screwed Robby in the end. Not the first time NASCAR has screwed up, but that is not the way to handle it. Robby can dish it out, but don't hit him back.

[jks812]

Nascar screwed both of them. Ambrose should have been 1st and Robby 2nd.
But again, some of it all started and happened after the caution came out. How many other times have they penalized and sent drivers to the back for hitting someone under caution? Honestly, they both should have restarted at the back.

[Phils20]

And I just have to disagree. Robby has just shown this side too many times, and I think it was important that Ambrose show that he can play that way.

NASCAR screwed up the call, but there is no way that what happened at the end can be tolerated. As much as i hate the phrase, set an example, that is just what must happen.

When you are told to go to a certain position, that is where you must go. Period.

If drivers just do what they want, and start wrecking others, it would just be utter chaos. That is the part that simply cannot be allowed to pass.

The bad call is done, and Robby got the short end of it, but so did Ambrose. And since Robby owns his own cup team, he doesn't have to worry quite so much about his job, other than suspension.

So that is just what should happen.

Again, wrecking a car from a position he should not have occupied simply has to be punished. They were both back and forth, although Robby did start the crap, and Marcus finished it. It should have stopped there.

[Bob Tanner]

I've seen NASCAR blow a lot of calls, but the one at Montreal today , IMNSVHO, takes the cake!

From what the announcers said before the start, and after the race, NASCAR had made a decision to start Robby in 12th, and his pit crew told him to drop back and fall in behind the #33. Yet they allowed the race to restart with Robby in second and everyone in Montreal, except possibly, a group of nuns in the Cathedral d' Norte Dame who think no one is capable of evil, knew Gordon was going to use Ambrose as his brakes when they hit the first turn.

Rotten call, NASCAR. If you wanted to show the Canadians today that you brought a really professionally run series to their country, you missed the mark. You showed them that, when the chips are down you fall back to the old Tanner adage:
"When in trouble,
Or in doubt,
Run in circles, scream and shout."

Don't worry about a penalty, NASCAR. Nothing you do is going to give the rightful win to Marcus.

Ambrose showed a great deal of class in his post race interview. BTW, do any of you "Old timers" catch the resemblance between Ambrose and a younger Parnelli Jones?

[Jeffrey4318]

Excuse me? It was Ambrose who spun Robby first! Under caution no less. Robby's pass could be considered clean in todays Nascar. The good ole bumb and run. Ambrose got mad because he got passed. He got toooo aggressive and turned Robby. Ambrose deserved what he got in return.

[jks812]

Robby was either in 1st or 2nd when the caution came out. So why would he have to restart 12th? That makes no sense at all. Besides the fact that Ambrose wasn't penalized for turning Robby during a caution, so why would Robby be penalized by restarting 12th? You might could say Ambrose didn't know the caution was out when he turned Robby, if it wasn't for the big yellow flag flying right where he turned him at.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by jks812

Robby was either in 1st or 2nd when the caution came out. So why would he have to restart 12th? That makes no sense at all. Besides the fact that Ambrose wasn't penalized for turning Robby during a caution, so why would Robby be penalized by restarting 12th? You might could say Ambrose didn't know the caution was out when he turned Robby, if it wasn't for the big yellow flag flying right where he turned him at.

The issue is Robby was being an idiot and flying up the track to confront Ambrose. That was probably the reason why NASCAR made Robby go to 12th. NASCAR shouldn't have restarted the race until Robby went back where he should have been.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Mike24

The issue is Robby was being an idiot and flying up the track to confront Ambrose. That was probably the reason why NASCAR made Robby go to 12th. NASCAR shouldn't have restarted the race until Robby went back where he should have been.

We agree!!!???

IF NASCAR were to have penalized Marcus, I'd had no problem. IF NASCAR were to have told Gordon to restart in 2nd, I'd had no problem. However, they told him to go back to 12th, he didn't and they restarted the race anyway? W-R-O-N-G Answer!

What happened prior to NASCAR telling Gordon to start in 12th has no bearing on NASCAR restarting the race with the cars out of alignment. NASCAR just plain, flat-out blew it!

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

We agree!!!???

IF NASCAR were to have penalized Marcus, I'd had no problem. IF NASCAR were to have told Gordon to restart in 2nd, I'd had no problem. However, they told him to go back to 12th, he didn't and they restarted the race anyway? W-R-O-N-G Answer!

What happened prior to NASCAR telling Gordon to start in 12th has no bearing on NASCAR restarting the race with the cars out of alignment. NASCAR just plain, flat-out blew it!

Yes they did. They sent Gordon to the back because they were afraid he would spin Ambrose. They punished him before he did anything wrong. After he GOT SPUN and before they ordered him to the back all he did was drive up next to Ambrose and ride next to him or fall behind him in second. Ambrose should of been sent to the rear. Either send them both or just Ambrose. Nascar screwed up big....They really need to come clean on this one.

[wardfan]

ok I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention but the way I see it is: When the big crash was going on presumbly NASCAR threw the yellow flag so how did Gordon get in front of Ambrose if you can't pass under yellow? Then they show Ambrose spinning Gordon and him sitting there as cars go by him. I assume that is why NASCAR is saying Gordon was in 12, 13 or whatever because by the time he got around and moving again that many cars had passed him. Robbie seems to be his own worst enemy and instead of getting back in line and finishing the race and then filing a protest he takes matters into his own hands. Because he flat out disregarded orders from NASCAR he should be suspended from today's race.