[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Gonna consult the crystal balls. Bought a second as a back-up in case of primary system failure. Wait, wait, there's a ray of light!! Hold it - "ray" - might lead to confusion, there's a shaft of light. The haze is clearing. Holy jumpin' Jedi! How could we not see this?!?! The commonality is - 24. He's Jeff's father!!! Making Princess Le --- I mean Erin --- oh good Lord take these balls from me. I want know no more.

"Darth" Evernham. No, no, no cried Lu --- Jeff. Yes, yes, yes cried ---better let that one drift away.

Too fast. Too loose. And the race cars are fun to watch too.

I'm sure you've heard the quote "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" !!!!!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'm sure you've heard the quote "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" !!!!!

Yeah sure have. Notice corrections for spelling have decreased? Thanks.

Likely you recall that Evernham was best man for acquaintance of ours that we worked with as part of a "track officials" group, raced with and against. Through this acquaintance we came to "know" the person (Evernham). He was an "aw shucks" local, twistin' wrenches, wheelin' modifieds, but doing it with great interest and drive. Jersey boy, as are we. Wall Stadium his "home" track if you will. Truex too. Surprised we are (Yoda) at the "straying". Sad we are that likely fortune ($) may well have played in to the degradation of another. "May" because "know" would be a stretch.

We watch with an interest that is "different" from most here at the successes and faux pas (Spelling?) of the locals. Go Martin!!!

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Hey everyone I dug up an old thread about the dynamic dou of Erin & Ray. Check out the old news and ad to it.

http://www.goteamsgo.com/forum/nasca...tml#post156438

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So what do you think Ray will do to help Erin get a new ride ???

Chime in with your feelings.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Hey everyone I dug up an old thread about the dynamic dou of Erin & Ray. Check out the old news and ad to it.

http://www.goteamsgo.com/forum/nasca...tml#post156438

We (like Ray?) are really beginning to drill down on this.

Were it a Chevy team, might she be Ms. Goodwench?

Will anyone be able to hear - "rubber on the track" - and not have their mind drift?

Will COT become just another sleep around cliche?

Is there a new meaning for "jet dryer"? Don't ask, I don't even know.

Will polygamist become the term for an owner with more than one car/driver?

Will back seats be re-introduced as required equipment in the rule book?

Will "making a pass" result in the question - are you talking about on or off the track?

How will Brian France be found culpable?

[I Flip For Carl]

I wouldn't want to be involved with a man that age if I was Erin's age .Thats just wrong,as my son says

[Lefty Noob]

The shady ethics of this really bother me, and I know I haven't followed this story as closely as our dedicated NASCAR fans on the board, but isn't a relationship like this what got the LSU women's basketball coach fired? The other factors in that situation aside, it just seems wrong to mix business and pleasure like this, if you will. Clearly she would've had his ear more than any other driver because of the personal nature of their relationship. Pretty sure I've read somewhere where one of Evernham's drivers even made that accusation. As the poster above me says, "that's just wrong." On so many levels.

[I Flip For Carl]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

The shady ethics of this really bother me, and I know I haven't followed this story as closely as our dedicated NASCAR fans on the board, but isn't a relationship like this what got the LSU women's basketball coach fired? The other factors in that situation aside, it just seems wrong to mix business and pleasure like this, if you will. Clearly she would've had his ear more than any other driver because of the personal nature of their relationship. Pretty sure I've read somewhere where one of Evernham's drivers even made that accusation. As the poster above me says, "that's just wrong." On so many levels.

Jeremy Mayfield made the accusation .

Ray is old enough to be her grandpa.
GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

Ray is old enough to be her grandpa.
GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek :

Now the $1 million question. Does she really care for him or was she using him as a NASCAR Sugar Daddy?

[I Flip For Carl]

That I don't know and I guess that only she knows that answer

Maybe she is like Anna Nicole was with the OLD man that she married that was a millionaire or was it a billionaire

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

That I don't know and I guess that only she knows that answer

Maybe she is like Anna Nicole was with the OLD man that she married that was a millionaire or was it a billionaire

Ha ha, it's like you read my mind - that's exactly the comparison that prompted me to ask the question!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

We (like Ray?) are really beginning to drill down on this.

Were it a Chevy team, might she be Ms. Goodwench?

Will anyone be able to hear - "rubber on the track" - and not have their mind drift?

Will COT become just another sleep around cliche?

Is there a new meaning for "jet dryer"? Don't ask, I don't even know.

Will polygamist become the term for an owner with more than one car/driver?

Will back seats be re-introduced as required equipment in the rule book?

Will "making a pass" result in the question - are you talking about on or off the track?

How will Brian France be found culpable?

The responses are funny but .... they could be part of the future of NASCAR lingo .... sadly

[tkj24]

Crocker seeks new start to help restore credibility

By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
July 28, 2007
04:57 PM EDT


INDIANAPOLIS -- Erin Crocker wants to restore her credibility as a driver. To do that, she might have to start all over again.
The former sprint-car standout, whose move into NASCAR stalled after she began dating team owner Ray Evernham last year, is looking for another ride so she can try and rekindle the promise she showed in becoming the first female driver to win a World of Outlaws race. Evernham, who spoke publicly about the relationship for the first time Friday, said the best way for Crocker to do that is to move to another team.


Not giving up

It's been a struggle for female drivers in NASCAR but that hasn't stopped Erin Crocker, who wants to be the first to find her way to the Cup Series.

• Complete story, click here

"That's something that we had both talked about. I think at this point, to earn myself credibility again and to have another fair shot and prove what I can do on the racetrack, I need to run for another organization," Crocker said Saturday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, site of Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.
"I've had an incredible time at Evernham Motorsports, to race for one of the top Nextel Cup teams no matter how, what or when. I earned my way there on merit. I won a World of Outlaws race and was chosen by Ford Motor Company in the beginning, and ended up going with Dodge and with Ray. I think at this point, I want to earn that credibility back. I want to earn some more respect and go off on my own and do what I came here to do."
Crocker currently competes part-time in an Evernham Motorsports Dodge in the ARCA series, where she has four top-five finishes in seven starts this season, and 10 top-10s in 20 starts since 2005. But those results have been overshadowed by happenings off the track -- she lost car sponsor Betty Crocker when parent company General Mills decided to devote more resources to the Petty Enterprises team, and she's been surrounded by innuendo about her relationship with Evernham, 23 years her senior.
Evernham admitted Friday that his relationship with Crocker hurt the career of a driver once considered the standard-bearer for women in racing.
"If I say to somebody, 'I think she's got talent, you should sponsor her,' my credibility is not good because of the personal relationship," he said. "I believe in her. We're trying to support her through her ARCA program. She has a lot of things going on, and hopefully something will open for her. She's talked to some Busch teams and [Craftsman] Truck teams. Again, I feel like she's even a role model for female drivers. She can get the job done. The best thing for us to do, personally and professionally, is to help her go with another race team."
Speculation over the nature of their relationship was difficult for both sides to avoid. "There was some negative media stuff. You try to say you can ignore that and do your thing on the racetrack, but it gets to you," Crocker said.
"We did our part to not let it affect our performance," Evernham added. "I think what happened is, a lot of stuff that was written and a lot of stuff that was said and reported probably had people forming opinions that were probably not true. I don't know how you do things differently. I thought we were very professional with everything that we did, and continue to be. But people are going to draw their opinions from what the media reports."
Compounding that was the fact that in some instances, Crocker seemed rushed up the career ladder. Her short-lived 2005 attempt to move into the Busch circuit, accompanied by a big promotional splash from Betty Crocker, was "somewhat of a disaster," she says. In 25 Craftsman Truck starts last year, she failed to crack the top 10 in what Evernham now admits wasn't the best of equipment.
It led to a long season of lost confidence and self-doubt.
"I had kind of a rough winter," Crocker said. "All my life I've excelled in things to some extent, whether it was college lacrosse or out of college racing the Outlaws or making the Knoxville Nationals, or winning a World of Outlaws race and coming up to NASCAR and running well in ARCA my first year. Last year was the first year when everything went wrong. I shouldn't say that, I had some decent races ... there were some good moments. But it was kind of like a see-how-strong-you-are winter. See if you can climb back out of it. It probably took me the longest to climb out of it than when I've ever had something knock me down before."
Now, running a limited ARCA schedule, she's trying to fill in the empty weeks -- working as a radio pit reporter, exploring the idea of doing television, trying to stay fit. And hoping that some team owner will give her a chance.
"I feel good about my driving. I just want things to be positive again. I want to earn that credibility as a driver that I had when I got here," she said. "... I still feel like I can make a difference and make my name in this sport."

[Racer Duck]

wow! one (uno, a singlet, ein, #1) World of Outlaws win and suddenly she's qualified to run Busch? guess there's a couple hundred guys out there that got trampled by the rush to get a not so cute female driver up the ladder of NASCAR success. probably wouldn't have been so bad if she had been a decent driver but she's done nothing but stink up the place. obviously Everham hasn't been looking at her with the critical eyes of an elite NASCAR team owner, but more that of a teenage boy in lust. she got her 15 minutes of fame .. and the dirt won't wash off. she'll forever be branded as a driver that tried to sleep her way to the top and failed. she needs to hang up her driving shoes and try another line of business. one closer to her qualifications.

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Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wow! one (uno, a singlet, ein, #1) World of Outlaws win and suddenly she's qualified to run Busch? guess there's a couple hundred guys out there that got trampled by the rush to get a not so cute female driver up the ladder of NASCAR success. probably wouldn't have been so bad if she had been a decent driver but she's done nothing but stink up the place. obviously Everham hasn't been looking at her with the critical eyes of an elite NASCAR team owner, but more that of a teenage boy in lust. she got her 15 minutes of fame .. and the dirt won't wash off. she'll forever be branded as a driver that tried to sleep her way to the top and failed. she needs to hang up her driving shoes and try another line of business. one closer to her qualifications.

Dare I ask ??