[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I think I know what "that" is, I just don't know the degree (as in percentage) of how smart they are or from the other side of the fence ... how stupid they are.

guess we could start a poll: from 1 to 10, how stupid are they?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

guess we could start a poll: from 1 to 10, how stupid are they?

Just so we all are on the same page which end of the spread is highly intelligent versus the other end ?

[jks812]

If 1 is the stupid end, then I give them a 3.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Just so we all are on the same page which end of the spread is highly intelligent versus the other end ?

based on the wording of my proposed question, highly intelligent is on the left or lowest numbered end. (sorry for the confusion, jks812, you're seeing the creation process in action and the confusion that comes with it .. we'll note your vote and transpose it to the proper scale position when the dust settles.)

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

based on the wording of my proposed question, highly intelligent is on the left or lowest numbered end. (sorry for the confusion, jks812, you're seeing the creation process in action and the confusion that comes with it .. we'll note your vote and transpose it to the proper scale position when the dust settles.)

This must be right out of the NASCAR rules book. Totally confusing.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

This must be right out of the NASCAR rules book. Totally confusing.

wuddaya mean? I thought it was very precise and succinct. must be all that french running around in your brain that's confusing you.

you got a rule book? I'm impressed.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wuddaya mean? I thought it was very precise and succinct. must be all that french running around in your brain that's confusing you.

you got a rule book? I'm impressed.

I do have super powers you know.

[wingkey1]

NASCAR is faced with a growing need to defend not only its judgment but its integrity

No crap Sherlock. What a flippin' genius you are!!!!!

Lemme see. The sport/venue is growing beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Wildest!!

So lemme get this right. There is surprise that in a growing environment/geography/marketplace of acknowledgment and recognition, that there is/will be a corresponding need to respond to inquiries with regard to it's foundational concepts and associated judgements and decisions?!?

Whatta ya flippin' stupid?

This not aimed at initial post(er) in any way shape or form. The media type that initiated this needs to be ignored.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

NASCAR is faced with a growing need to defend not only its judgment but its integrity

No crap Sherlock. What a flippin' genius you are!!!!!

Lemme see. The sport/venue is growing beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Wildest!!

So lemme get this right. There is surprise that in a growing environment/geography/marketplace of acknowledgment and recognition, that there is/will be a corresponding need to respond to inquiries with regard to it's foundational concepts and associated judgements and decisions?!?

Whatta ya flippin' stupid?

This not aimed at initial post(er) in any way shape or form. The media type that initiated this needs to be ignored.

dang it wing, we're getting the spotlight finely tuned on our favorite whipping boy and you go and bump it ... now it's focused on our 2nd favorite whipping boy. not a bad deal, but we were really looking forward to roasting ole #1. maybe we can get LSC to spring for another spotlight? he claims to have super powers, ya know...

[LSC9901]

Well my super powers lie more in the magical line. I can make things disappear. Not just any BOZO can do that ... oh wait ... he did !!!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Well my super powers lie more in the magical line. I can make things disappear. Not just any BOZO can do that ... oh wait ... he did !!!

So 'twas You the infamous "other cola" 1!?!

Covert, Conspirious, Deceptive, ummmmm --- ugly ------

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I think I know what "that" is, I just don't know the degree (as in percentage) of how smart they are or from the other side of the fence ... how stupid they are.

This is going to seem like a strange answer, coming from one who seemingly makes a career out of criticizing NA$CAR, but on a "Stupid Scale," of 1-10, with ten being genius level, I'd give NASCAR a 9.

Let me s'plain.

Stupid people DO NOT methodically acquire the shear amount of wealth NASCAR has acquired. Plus, once the wealth is acquired, stupid people don't keep it. NASCAR has, for better or worse, has done both.

A couple of decades ago NASCAR realized that the generation of fans which brought them to the dance was , for lack of a better term, going away. Attrition by life span, as it were.

The next generation have different ideas of what stock car racing is. (That's as far as I'll take that statement) NASCAR targeted this group and have succeeded in molding this new NASCAR for them. (I'll leave it at that.)

No harm aimed at our generation; it was simply a marketing ploy and a business decision. I don't like it and I make no apologies that I dislike this current direction NASCAR is taking. But make no mistake, the people who pointed NASCAR in this direction ARE NOT STUPID PEOPLE! They may think tradition is a silly concept, when it doesn't make them money. They may have turned NASCAR into NA$CAR, where it is no longer a contest of motorized vehicles, it;s a contest of personalities and engineering.

I might call them several names for turning NASCAR a event which values money over sport. I would never call them stupid, though.

[LSC9901]

Bob ... you ruin it for us .. you just ruin it !!!


Very good explanation of what has happened to NASCAR today. I think on more than one occasion I've stated it is a business now and if I were in business I'd want to be making money. Business wise they have made all the correct decisions. Sport wise they are sinking the ship.

There is no doubt in my mind that most of us feel the same way as you have explained it but once again I'll revert to a statement you made earlier in GTG history. We complain because we can. We still enjoy racing but we do have the right to complain. I'm sure that isn't word for word but the basics of the message are close.

Thanks for a readable explanation of how we (me at least) feel.

[tkj24]

I don't think they are stupid. I just don't think they have the little people like most of us in mind. They are after the BIG BUCKS.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Stupid people DO NOT methodically acquire the shear amount of wealth NASCAR has acquired. Plus, once the wealth is acquired, stupid people don't keep it. NASCAR has, for better or worse, has done both.

Well, there are certain Hollywood types that are born into it, and suprisingly kept it, but I don't think we need anymore of that circus.

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

The next generation have different ideas of what stock car racing is. (That's as far as I'll take that statement) NASCAR targeted this group and have succeeded in molding this new NASCAR for them. (I'll leave it at that.)

The most simple difference you'll find in the mind of the next generation is what is expected on track. To them, everything between the green and checkered flags is fluff, and if there aren't two drivers beating on each other at the line and someone upside down at the finish, the whole race is a wash. I always bring up Ned Jarrett winning by 22 laps at Spartanburg many years ago. I'd love to see what they would have said then.

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

No harm aimed at our generation; it was simply a marketing ploy and a business decision. I don't like it and I make no apologies that I dislike this current direction NASCAR is taking. But make no mistake, the people who pointed NASCAR in this direction ARE NOT STUPID PEOPLE! They may think tradition is a silly concept, when it doesn't make them money. They may have turned NASCAR into NA$CAR, where it is no longer a contest of motorized vehicles, it;s a contest of personalities and engineering.

I might call them several names for turning NASCAR a event which values money over sport. I would never call them stupid, though.

Agreed.