[jks812]

Is anybody else watching this? Tonight it's about the top 20 drivers.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by jks812

Is anybody else watching this? Tonight it's about the top 20 drivers.

Nope... sorry, I'm in class right now.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by jks812

Is anybody else watching this? Tonight it's about the top 20 drivers.

Nope, sorry. How did they rank the drivers?

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Nope... sorry, I'm in class right now.

I watched it a couple of times.

[vincesanity82]

interesting they ranked dale earhardt best driver in nascar history, richard petty was 2nd..

[BringBackWilkesboro]

I saw the 20 greates drivers in place of the rained out cup lite race at Daytona. I don't think they did a very good job at all.

I did watch hottest rivalries which was also questionable, biggest races which they did ok with, and last nights "documentary", most of which was modern NASCAR propaganda, The only exceptions being the beginning and the Earnhardt piece.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

interesting they ranked dale earhardt best driver in nascar history, richard petty was 2nd..

strictly hype. couldn't have been based in fact. let me give you some facts:

• RP drove for 35 years before he retired; DE drove for 27 years or 77% as many years as RP - DE would have to race 8 more years to match RP.
• RP drove in 1184 races; DE in 676 races or 57% as many as RP - DE would have to race 508 more races to have as many as RP.
• RP has 200 wins; DE has 76 or 38% as many - DE would have to win 124 more races to match RP.
• RP has 555 Top 5; DE has 281 or 50% as many - DE would have to get 274 more Top 5 to match RP.
• RP has 712 Top 10: DE has 428 or 60% as many - DE would have to get 284 Top 10 to match RP.

Conclusion:

1. at 36 races per year, for 8 years DE would have race 14 more years to have as many races as RP.
2. to match RP's success rate, DE would have to, in 8 seasons, win 124 of 288 races, place in the top 5 in 274 of the same 288 races and place in the top 10 in 284 of, again, the same 288 races.
3. that means in all the races spread over 8 years DE could only miss or place out of the top 10 in 4 of them; that means in those same 8 years DE could only place in outside the top 5 a maximum of 10 times (less than twice per year);

Basically, in 8 more years of racing DE would have to increase his win ratio by at least 50%. or in other words win at least 15 of every 36 races - the current record for the modern era is 13 held by RP and J. Gordon (both of these during seasons when DE was active), the maximum DE ever won in one season was 11.

I don't know about you, but as good as DE was, he wasn't that good! And remember, there were only 8 seasons plus 1 race that DE raced that RP didn't also race, or looking at another way, they raced against each other for 19 years.

make any arguments you want, but no way was DE a more successful (to me that means "better") driver .. the facts just don't support that claim.

[vincesanity82]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

strictly hype. couldn't have been based in fact. let me give you some facts:

• RP drove for 35 years before he retired; DE drove for 27 years or 77% as many years as RP - DE would have to race 8 more years to match RP.
• RP drove in 1184 races; DE in 676 races or 57% as many as RP - DE would have to race 508 more races to have as many as RP.
• RP has 200 wins; DE has 76 or 38% as many - DE would have to win 124 more races to match RP.
• RP has 555 Top 5; DE has 281 or 50% as many - DE would have to get 274 more Top 5 to match RP.
• RP has 712 Top 10: DE has 428 or 60% as many - DE would have to get 284 Top 10 to match RP.

Conclusion:

1. at 36 races per year, for 8 years DE would have race 14 more years to have as many races as RP.
2. to match RP's success rate, DE would have to, in 8 seasons, win 124 of 288 races, place in the top 5 in 274 of the same 288 races and place in the top 10 in 284 of, again, the same 288 races.
3. that means in all the races spread over 8 years DE could only miss or place out of the top 10 in 4 of them; that means in those same 8 years DE could only place in outside the top 5 a maximum of 10 times (less than twice per year);

Basically, in 8 more years of racing DE would have to increase his win ratio by at least 50%. or in other words win at least 15 of every 36 races - the current record for the modern era is 13 held by RP and J. Gordon (both of these during seasons when DE was active), the maximum DE ever won in one season was 11.

I don't know about you, but as good as DE was, he wasn't that good! And remember, there were only 8 seasons plus 1 race that DE raced that RP didn't also race, or looking at another way, they raced against each other for 19 years.

make any arguments you want, but no way was DE a more successful (to me that means "better") driver .. the facts just don't support that claim.

Your absolutley right racer duck, Richard Petty was more successful statistically, he still is and forever will be "the king" of Nascar, that said, I think they ranked Dale higher because of his success in the modern era.(Seven championships, seventy-six wins) Richard Petty had most of his wins come in a different era of NASCAR. It was much easier to dominate back then than it is now. In the end it all comes down personal opinion, I think we can all agree that both of these race car legends deserve respect for their own accomplishments and contributions they have made..Now go ahead with the chopping off of my head for thinking differently..

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

Your absolutley right racer duck, Richard Petty was more successful statistically, he still is and forever will be "the king" of Nascar, that said, I think they ranked Dale higher because of his success in the modern era.(Seven championships, seventy-six wins) Richard Petty had most of his wins come in a different era of NASCAR. It was much easier to dominate back then than it is now. In the end it all comes down personal opinion, I think we can all agree that both of these race car legends deserve respect for their own accomplishments and contributions they have made..Now go ahead with the chopping off of my head for thinking differently..

now why would I want to do that? you're entitled to your opinion and I have no reason, nor intention, to interfere with a person's right to be wrong. keep swinging, keep yer eye on the ball, you'll hit it sooner or later....

and you're right .. it was a different era .. they raced as many as 62 races a season, sometimes as many as 5 different tracks in 9 days. the drivers from "a different era" just didn't know any better...they raced 'cause they loved to race, not for the paltry prize monies back then. I think it was Jr. Johnson that said he remembers when they told him to tie a rope around his waist so he wouldn't slide around on the seat. yep, it was "a different era."

[vincesanity82]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

now why would I want to do that? you're entitled to your opinion and I have no reason, nor intention, to interfere with a person's right to be wrong. keep swinging, keep yer eye on the ball, you'll hit it sooner or later....

and you're right .. it was a different era .. they raced as many as 62 races a season, sometimes as many as 5 different tracks in 9 days. the drivers from "a different era" just didn't know any better...they raced 'cause they loved to race, not for the paltry prize monies back then. I think it was Jr. Johnson that said he remembers when they told him to tie a rope around his waist so he wouldn't slide around on the seat. yep, it was "a different era."

It was a different era, the competition wasnt as good as it is today, and yes petty won more races but many of Petty's wins were in seasons of 50 races or more on obscure tracks that no one has even heard of. But the real question is how many of pettys 200 wins and 7 daytona 500 victories were in cars prepared by Petty's own rule of thumb: "I always told my guys, 'Cheat neat, and you can get by with a bunch of stuff.' Remember the "big engine" with his 200th win, wasnt he stripped of his winnings and points but given the win? just saying, something to think about..I still regard him as one of the best drivers no doubt, I just think Dales better, like I said its all a matter of opinion, and thats mine, although its not always a popular one..

[oncea3fan]

with the differences in number of races per year and number of years raced it would be hard to do a fiar compareison.
maybe like % of wins/races.
in the end has much as I loved Dale, Richard Petty will always be the king and #1, Dale 2nd.......and I hate to say this but Jeffy is knocking on that door

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

with the differences in number of races per year and number of years raced it would be hard to do a fiar compareison.
maybe like % of wins/races.
in the end has much as I loved Dale, Richard Petty will always be the king and #1, Dale 2nd.......and I hate to say this but Jeffy is knocking on that door

yep, he has 10 more years to match/exceed the "DE dynasty"...

wonder if he'll retire before his little girl reaches jr. high? (no pun intended)

[LSC9901]

Like him or not, unless something happens to Jeff he will surpass Dale Sr. ...... and probably quite easily.

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Like him or not, unless something happens to Jeff he will surpass Dale Sr. ...... and probably quite easily.

I don't think he will match him in championships. Even if he races for the next 10 years (which I don't see him doing) I don't think he can get 3 or 4 more championships. 1 or 2, not not 3 or 4. Too hard.

[I Flip For Carl]

As a fan of Davey Allison I was very disappointed that he was not chosen as one of the top driver's.

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