[I Flip For Carl]

"In Bobby Ginn's defense, he bought a very deep hole when he got into racing. The organization was behind on paying its bills. But he was also his own worst enemy. He should have taken what was there — two Cup teams — and perfected them."

This is just a quote from here FOX Sports on MSN - NASCAR - Charting the Chase: Ginn over his head? where you can read the rest of the story. I mentioned on another board just last week ,that like MWR,Ginn bit off more than he should of at one time .

[vincesanity82]

Dale Earnhardt Inc. is adding Mark Martin to its driver roster and growing immediately to four Nextel Cup teams in a merger with Ginn Racing that will be officially announced today, the Observer has learned. DEI and Ginn employees were told Tuesday that Martin's No. 01 team will compete under the DEI banner in this week's Allstate 400 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. As announced last week, Martin and newcomer Aric Almirola will share the No. 01 ride for the rest of the season. A source confirmed early Wednesday morning that Martin and Almirola will also share duties in the No. 01 in the 2008 season as planned. DEI is still negotiating with other drivers to replace Dale Earnhardt Jr., who is leaving the team at season's end.-- Charlotte Observer

Charlotte Observer | 07/25/2007 | DEI adding Mark Martin<br> to its driver roster

[vincesanity82]

Sources said that over the next few weeks officials from DEI and Ginn Racing will work out details on which employees will be retained. Martin will use engines prepared by Hendrick Motorsports at Indianapolis, then switch to engines built by the new partnership between DEI and Richard Childress Racing in subsequent events. Ginn Racing had been leasing engines from Hendrick Motorsports. Also left unclear, for now, is the status of Ginn development drivers Jesus Hernandez, Kraig Kinser and Ricky Carmichael. -- Charlotte Observer

Charlotte Observer | 07/25/2007 | DEI adding Mark Martin<br> to its driver roster

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Makes one wonder whether much of the recent DEI "moves" (RCR engine, RYR facility acquisition talks, now this) were in some way being delayed/hidden until Jr. was finally out of the way?

I seriously doubt it, Wing. When Junior was in the midst of making the switch, many (myself included) thought that Ginn was a player in the "Let's Buy Junior" game. I think this all started when (a) Junior chose who he did, and (b) Ginn's real estate ventures showed no sign of stopping their downward spiral. I don't think Ginn is anywhere close to going thru the wringer (Bankrupt); I just think he's finally taking a realistic look at the value of owner multiple Cup teams with disappearing sponsorship.

I'd say the Ginn going out of business sale didn't begin until the day it was known that Junior was going to Hendrick.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Jr. may be on his way out, but he hasn't gone thru the door yet.

I think this was an opportunity that was too good to pass up: Teresa had all those DE souvenir, Menards and Bud bucks - Ginn needed a transfusion... what an easy way to become a 4 car shop with veterans in place! the only problem was which drivers to keep and how to manage the young guys. Ginn took the Menards ownership so he could keep them bucks close. and they still have a shot at Shrub!

I don't think DEI wants Junior back. Nothing against Junior (Statement made to placate the Red\Army), but the personal chemisrty between Teresa, Kelley and Junior did nothing to mkae DEI "Pleasantville." I honestly believe that that strange sound you might have heard the morning of Junior's press conference when he announced his new owner, that sound was a hughe sigh from Teresa, thinking "Finally! Next season I won't have to constantly fight with Kelley and Dale. Now we can get on with the business of running a race team."

From what I have heard the only reason that Ginn is named as co-owner of the #15 is so that the #15 can take the #14's points. That was a NASCAR rule.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by I Flip For Carl

"In Bobby Ginn's defense, he bought a very deep hole when he got into racing. The organization was behind on paying its bills. But he was also his own worst enemy. He should have taken what was there — two Cup teams — and perfected them."

This is just a quote from here FOX Sports on MSN - NASCAR - Charting the Chase: Ginn over his head? where you can read the rest of the story. I mentioned on another board just last week ,that like MWR,Ginn bit off more than he should of at one time .

Ginn did almost exactly the same mistakes that Alex Meskin did with his ill-fated attempt to be a Cup Lite owner a couple of years ago. Being wealthy is no guarantee that you'll automatically be an instant success in stock cars major leagues.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I don't think DEI wants Junior back. Nothing against Junior (Statement made to placate the Red\Army), but the personal chemisrty between Teresa, Kelley and Junior did nothing to mkae DEI "Pleasantville." I honestly believe that that strange sound you might have heard the morning of Junior's press conference when he announced his new owner, that sound was a hughe sigh from Teresa, thinking "Finally! Next season I won't have to constantly fight with Kelley and Dale. Now we can get on with the business of running a race team."

From what I have heard the only reason that Ginn is named as co-owner of the #15 is so that the #15 can take the #14's points. That was a NASCAR rule.

I learn something every day...

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I learn something every day...

That's unofficial,my friend. I don't have a NASCAR Rulebook (who the Hell does?); it's just the way I have heard it explained.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

That's unofficial,my friend. I don't have a NASCAR Rulebook (who the Hell does?); it's just the way I have heard it explained.

I know there's a car number I haven't seen this season (but don't remember which one right now) and just figured you owned it so you could have a rule book. you've just shaken my world....

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I know there's a car number I haven't seen this season (but don't remember which one right now) and just figured you owned it so you could have a rule book. you've just shaken my world....

Bob ... are you trying to upset the apple cart again ???

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Bob ... are you trying to upset the apple cart again ???

Huh... did I miss something?

[bears9]

I wonder how much this effects Kyle Busch to DEI and Alimora to Ginn

[jks812]

Originally Posted by bears9

I wonder how much this effects Kyle Busch to DEI and Alimora to Ginn

They could still pick Kyle up to drive the 8 car. And they said Martin and Almirola was still going to share driving duties in the 01 as planned.

[Souporscotty]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I had no idea teams could buy and sell points.

I'm sure Brian France gets a percentage of any $$$$ changing hands.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Huh... did I miss something?

evidently, but never fear, thru the use of modern technology I've been able to reconstruct the sequence for you.

first Bob said:

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I don't have a NASCAR Rulebook (who the Hell does?)

then I said:

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

you've just shaken my world....

then Steve said:

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Bob ... are you trying to upset the apple cart again ???

and now we're here (wherever that is )

disclaimer: non-pertinent dialog removed to protect the guilty.