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Old 07-19-2007, 10:27 AM
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if ya haven't reached codgerdom yet, yer definitely being condgerfied as we speak/type...

with all the "old" talent out there, I think I'd have to put my money on Mario .. 'course I could be 'suaded to go a different direction (with the proper number of brews, of course )
I was thinking more along the lines of NASCAR veterans. I know Mario ran some but he's an open wheel guy to me. I want to see Ned, David P., Bobby Allison and many of those old gents. I bet they would enjoy the competition.

Oh BTW ... I don't want to see DW out there. Sorry Penny !!!
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If there were any way to put it together (and do it safely, cause lets face it, racing isn't golf) I'd love to see it. Harry Gant could probably tear up the competition. Love to see the Crisco Kid race again too. It wouldn't be the same as the old days, but It'd be nice too see these guys on a track for a little bit.

Hey! We could run em at Wilkesboro! Nice little track to keep everything contained.
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: Should NASCAR start a Senior Circuit?

Nice idea but where would the money come from? Sponsers only want young drivers. Example : why do you really think Ginn is dropping Marlin & Nemecheck? Answer : They can't get sponsers
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Nice idea but where would the money come from? Sponsers only want young drivers. Example : why do you really think Ginn is dropping Marlin & Nemecheck? Answer : They can't get sponsers
I would think that with a much more limited schedule it could be done. If they basically raced at the same type of tracks that would eliminate the need for many different cars. The senior circuit might bring back some of the old NASCAR fans who enjoyed the sport of racing over individual drivers.

I would also think that there would be a whole different set of sponsors that would be interested in this. Maybe sponsors with a smaller budget.

Ya just never know. Maybe GTG could sponsor a team. I'll drive !!!
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Nice idea but where would the money come from? Sponsers only want young drivers. Example : why do you really think Ginn is dropping Marlin & Nemecheck? Answer : They can't get sponsers
I think it is sponsors want drivers that produce, I produce the veteran Mark Martin as an example. I do concede to the looming fact that the trend varies toward the younger crowd.
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Ya just never know. Maybe GTG could sponsor a team. I'll drive !!!
So many comments, so little time, not enough beer to pay the fines.
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Re: Should NASCAR start a Senior Circuit?

I think it would be a great idea, especially for some of the older drivers like Kyle Petty, Mark Martin, Bobby Labonte, or Tony Stewart.
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So many comments, so little time, not enough beer to pay the fines.
I'm feelin' some bad vibes from your post.
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I'm feelin' some bad vibes from your post.
Why LSC, what ever do you mean? are you tryin to imply something?
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Why LSC, what ever do you mean? are you tryin to imply something?
Only that I'm just getting some negative vibes from somewhere. Dunno exactly where or even why ???
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Probably a crazy idea, but would any of you like to see NASCAR someday start a senior circuit, like the senior tour in the PGA? The drivers could theoretically run shorter distances due to their advanced ages, and maybe a shorter schedule overall. Perhaps they could even race old-style cars under old-style rules? What do you think?
Nostalgia makes it seem like a good idea, Chuck, but practically...? Not so good an idea.

Unlike stick & ball sports, these guys do things which can kill you. To put on a good, entertaining show a driver must push it to the edge and have reflexes which would scare a cobra! With rare exceptions, guys in their 50's and 60's just don't have this ability. Some would like to think they do but it's merely an illusion in their own heads. Throw in the danger factor and you have a recipe for disaster.

ESPN tried this back in...? 1992 or 1993. They had some old NASCAR-types (Bobby Allison was one and David Pearson was another), plus some older USAC Indy drivers (I remember Troy Ruttman -'52 Indy winner -and Bobby Unser was there) run a four race series at IRP, in conjunction with their weekly "Wednesday Night Thunder" sprint car/midget show. They ran absolutely stock Jaguar sedans on a modified 1/2 circuit , with a chicane place in the middle of the front stretch. It was basically a flop, with the only excitement being the first race when (a) David Pearson put one of the older USAC drivers in a wall, and (b) 60 yr old Troy Ruttman had a flashback to his dirt days and tried a slide job and stacked up fully half the field. Bobby Allison was declared the winner of the short series and it mercifully disappeared forever.

If you want to see the old cars run, there are tracks across the country I've attended in the past few years which have "Classic Races" with either restored or replica classic stock cars. B-O-R-I-N-G! I've watched five or six of these and they have all been as exciting as watching paint dry. They don't actually race; they just motor around at a semi-fast pace. The owners/drivers just have too much involved in restoration that makes them think 2-3 times before even coming close to touching another car.

Like the 1961 Cincinnati Royals, the 1957 Yankees and Dodgers, the 1963 Cubs, the 1966 Blackhawks and the 1987 (I think) Bears, the "real" side of professional sport is only a memory and can be only relished by those of us who were lucky enough to have been around when it all happened. The new fans maintain that today's product is far superior, but those of us who remember know differently.
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Nostalgia makes it seem like a good idea, Chuck, but practically...? Not so good an idea.

Unlike stick & ball sports, these guys do things which can kill you. To put on a good, entertaining show a driver must push it to the edge and have reflexes which would scare a cobra! With rare exceptions, guys in their 50's and 60's just don't have this ability. Some would like to think they do but it's merely an illusion in their own heads. Throw in the danger factor and you have a recipe for disaster.

ESPN tried this back in...? 1992 or 1993. They had some old NASCAR-types (Bobby Allison was one and David Pearson was another), plus some older USAC Indy drivers (I remember Troy Ruttman -'52 Indy winner -and Bobby Unser was there) run a four race series at IRP, in conjunction with their weekly "Wednesday Night Thunder" sprint car/midget show. They ran absolutely stock Jaguar sedans on a modified 1/2 circuit , with a chicane place in the middle of the front stretch. It was basically a flop, with the only excitement being the first race when (a) David Pearson put one of the older USAC drivers in a wall, and (b) 60 yr old Troy Ruttman had a flashback to his dirt days and tried a slide job and stacked up fully half the field. Bobby Allison was declared the winner of the short series and it mercifully disappeared forever.

If you want to see the old cars run, there are tracks across the country I've attended in the past few years which have "Classic Races" with either restored or replica classic stock cars. B-O-R-I-N-G! I've watched five or six of these and they have all been as exciting as watching paint dry. They don't actually race; they just motor around at a semi-fast pace. The owners/drivers just have too much involved in restoration that makes them think 2-3 times before even coming close to touching another car.

Like the 1961 Cincinnati Royals, the 1957 Yankees and Dodgers, the 1963 Cubs, the 1966 Blackhawks and the 1987 (I think) Bears, the "real" side of professional sport is only a memory and can be only relished by those of us who were lucky enough to have been around when it all happened. The new fans maintain that today's product is far superior, but those of us who remember know differently.
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