[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

One thing I'd like to know is how Toyota is supposedly spending this money. It'd be wise of them to help out their under funded teams a little more because we all know what money can buy you in this sport. A more competitive race team and ultimately, even more money. Rick Hendrick can explain that.

TRD (Toyota Racing Divison) has a healthy budget. But they also support 'yota's other racing efforts too.

as a matter of course, most manufacturers don't "give" money to teams. what they do is provide research and development support to teams who've signed "contracts" with them to race their cars. so someone like Robby Gordon who jumps from one brand to another doesn't get this kind of help. However, someone like Robby also buys his engines and chassis from an organization that does get that help, so he isn't missing much and is able to change his cars as often as his sponsors allow.

For 'yota, BDR has been their in-house engine development shop. The other 'yota teams are welcome to do their own engine development, but unless they discover something significant, won't get as much help from TRD in getting NASCAR's approval. TRD learned a terrific amount about power curves this year and now their cars seem to be almost equal to the Chevys which puts them slightly ahead of Ford and way ahead of Chrysler (at the moment) as evidenced by Blaney, Vickers, Mayfield & Mikey qualifying well at recent races.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by McMurray26

no doubt...

i wonder what support the cup series will have from fans, when the big three makes of car are toyota, nissan and honda...

Zero from me.

Although I can't exaclty explain why. Manufacture means virtually nothing now, so I don't see why I wouldn't be able to follow anymore if that happened. I just couldn't handle it.

[LSC9901]

It'll be a slap in the face of the American manufacturer but being a race fan I'm thinking I'll still tune in. After all I do own 2 Honda's and my daughter and fiancé also each own Honda's. Maybe I'll have to cheer for Honda. I'm really thinking that there will be an SUV series and I can enter !!

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by McMurray26

no doubt...

i wonder what support the cup series will have from fans, when the big three makes of car are toyota, nissan and honda...

I go where the team goes, if Hendrick goes with Yota then there I'll be, but If there's a team that will be anything but a yota,honda, or nissan, then I'll imagine that would be my boy rick's team!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by McMurray26

no doubt...

i wonder what support the cup series will have from fans, when the big three makes of car are toyota, nissan and honda...

I bet you cannot point out the difference between a Toyota COT and a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge COT without the decals that label it.

Originally Posted by LSC9901

It'll be a slap in the face of the American manufacturer but being a race fan I'm thinking I'll still tune in. After all I do own 2 Honda's and my daughter and fiancé also each own Honda's. Maybe I'll have to cheer for Honda. I'm really thinking that there will be an SUV series and I can enter !!

after all the time we've spent discussing the fact that these are Japanese brands .. made in American plants .. by American workers .. using American made parts .. that we Americans buy .. with American dollars, I'm weary of this "not American" argument.

we claim TV's no matter where they're made as long as they have a good picture. our computers are full of parts made everywhere but in America, and when we call for help, the phone is answered in India. we drink German, British, Canadian and Mexican beer (even some Japanese & Jamacian brands!) we wear clothes made in Italy, France, England, Brazil, Venezuela, China, Japan, and California (little Mexico).

we even drive (and race) "American" vehicles not even made in America. so why can't we accept automobile brands from other countries in our races? after all, they are "Made In America"!!! is it because they might be better than our junk?

[LSC9901]

Oh sure Ducky, you gotta go all technical on me. Yes you are correct but you kow basically what I was saying. Once, many, many years ago in a time long since forgotten cars used to be "Made in America".

Now Toyota is !!!

[Quality88]

Question... Even though Yotas are made in America, by Americans, with American Parts... aren't the profits goin back across the pond?

And if that's the case wouldn't that mean the Profits from American manufacturer's cars that are manufactured in Canada, Mexico etc etc, come back to America?

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Question... Even though Yotas are made in America, by Americans, with American Parts... aren't the profits goin back across the pond?

And if that's the case wouldn't that mean the Profits from American manufacturer's cars that are manufactured in Canada, Mexico etc etc, come back to America?

Kinda, but more towards "no". It's really a "paper" or "reporting" "thing". The results (earnings) of international operations are for the most part spent within the country of appreciation. It is the fundamental/generic method for continuation (may be read as reward) for successful operations. That is NOT to say that funds are not converted and/or redirected to support ventures at risk or ventures of interest.

It is a popular/common misconception that money earned here by firms based elsewhere is funneled back to the "home" country. It just ain't that simple.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Kinda, but more towards "no". It's really a "paper" or "reporting" "thing". The results (earnings) of international operations are for the most part spent within the country of appreciation. It is the fundamental/generic method for continuation (may be read as reward) for successful operations. That is NOT to say that funds are not converted and/or redirected to support ventures at risk or ventures of interest.

It is a popular/common misconception that money earned here by firms based elsewhere is funneled back to the "home" country. It just ain't that simple.

Oh yeah... well your breath smells like ants.... sorry... been watchin Ice Age 2.... wife keeps remindin me of the first date where we held hands watchin that movie..... seriously though, something don't smell right about this situation, or maybe I just need to take a shower

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Oh yeah... well your breath smells like ants.... sorry... been watchin Ice Age 2.... wife keeps remindin me of the first date where we held hands watchin that movie..... seriously though, something don't smell right about this situation, or maybe I just need to take a shower

Okay. That cleared it up for me. Will go silent now.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Kinda, but more towards "no". It's really a "paper" or "reporting" "thing". The results (earnings) of international operations are for the most part spent within the country of appreciation. It is the fundamental/generic method for continuation (may be read as reward) for successful operations. That is NOT to say that funds are not converted and/or redirected to support ventures at risk or ventures of interest.

It is a popular/common misconception that money earned here by firms based elsewhere is funneled back to the "home" country. It just ain't that simple.

wingkey, you always confuse me on my first read.. and usually on the 2nd.. sometimes on the 3rd.. never on the 4th. this one was a 4th read. but I got it and my experience with mega-corps agrees.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Pretty much a crap article if ya read it closely. Says/provides nothing of substance regarding the actual comparative spending. Full of "we think", "what we believe", when quoting those making comment about the amount of spending.

The suggestion within the article that those making claims around how much Toyo is spending should open their own books so a real comparison could be made made sense. Would help end the discussion/speculation. We likely should not commit to holding our breath for this revelation.

Let's see... They lead off with deep thoughts from Jack Roush, who back last year, prophesied that civilization as we know it, would come to an end if NASCAR let Toyota in Cup.

Couple that with the accumulated collection of "thoughts," "Feelings," and "I believe's," and some hack who had a deadline for an article to meet and whipped this one up in...??? fifteen minutes?

Remember, Toyota had to start by building TWO separate teams, the Downforce Car and the New Race Car. With the exception of BDR, no team had ANYTHING in place. Toyota, unlike MOPAR when it returned to NASCAR, got no NASCAR-assisted testing sessions prior to testing a Daytona. The technology they gained in CTS was of little use to them in CUP and Cup Lite because they couldn't use the same high-reving engine.

Yeah, for the 2007 season I would have been surprised if Toyota's investment, one-for one, didn't almost double that of a current team. (Especially Roush; by his own admission he didn't invest a lot of time and money in the New Race Car)

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

wingkey, you always confuse me on my first read.. and usually on the 2nd.. sometimes on the 3rd.. never on the 4th. this one was a 4th read. but I got it and my experience with mega-corps agrees.

Then there are a couple of things that are important to convey:

1. When they come for me, "I don't know him" and/or "never once could I comprehend what he attempted to convey" - are two mantras you might want to practice

2. My promise to you is that I will never let my wife know that you were able to sort through the nonsense. She's been searching for an interpretor for - well, pretty much since day one

3. You're ahead of me. I still can't understand some of the things that come from me. Best you stick with #1 above.

OK. Off to get some ice cream. Think I'll outspend my last trip to the parlor by a "Large Margin".

Have a great day Duck.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Then there are a couple of things that are important to convey:

1. When they come for me, "I don't know him" and/or "never once could I comprehend what he attempted to convey" - are two mantras you might want to practice

2. My promise to you is that I will never let my wife know that you were able to sort through the nonsense. She's been searching for an interpretor for - well, pretty much since day one

3. You're ahead of me. I still can't understand some of the things that come from me. Best you stick with #1 above.

OK. Off to get some ice cream. Think I'll outspend my last trip to the parlor by a "Large Margin".

Have a great day Duck.

my thoughts exactly .. but, alas, it's raining here and 8 miles to the nearest vendor .. so I'll lay around in my skivvies (no wife to object) and wait for tomorrow because tomorrow always comes whether I want it to or not...

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

my thoughts exactly .. but, alas, it's raining here and 8 miles to the nearest vendor .. so I'll lay around in my skivvies (no wife to object) and wait for tomorrow because tomorrow always comes whether I want it to or not...

Ahh!! A clazy man. No, that's not a spelling error, nor even some weak attempt at language spoofin'.

You clazy. A fine attribute portrayed most clearly within your intentions for the day. But wait now, we (yeah I know "the voices") would like to claim clazier. We'd like to, but we don't have too, 'cept of course should we decide upon some form of Hatfields/McCoys relationship. But they ain't fightin' no more cause their all working down at the Toyo plant, singing Mikey Wartrip praise songs (yup that IS some weak attempt at language spoofin), and typically seeing a future by some would say a "Large Margin" greater than ole "four tooth" down at the Ford plant. Figured I better get that in just to keep us on subject.

We did Breyers All Natural Black Raspberry Chocolate. Got this bad feeling that Breyers is a "regional" brand making it perhaps impossible for you to come to know. Regardless, it was unbelieveable good. Dripped on the skivvies we did, wrung it out back into the bowl. I didn't say that. You made me. It's your fault Hatfield.