[McMurray26]

i know this is always a subject for people to complain about and what not...

but have they have ever looked at a "placing" type of point system where not everyone in the field gets points...

maybe like the top 20 or something with the winner 20 points + 10 bonus for the win, 2nd place would get 19, 3rd place would get 18, 4th would get 17 and so on with 20th getting 1 point...

maybe a bonus point for leading a lap and an extra bonus point for leading the most laps...

i think it would eliminate some slower cars that were in wrecks because there would be no point for them to ride (not that i mind that, it's NASCAR), and i think it makes each race that more important and you can still have the chase as is, with maybe 2 points bonus for a win...

oh well i don't have a real problem with the points now, it just seems everyone has an idea and this is mine...

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by McMurray26

i know this is always a subject for people to complain about and what not...

but have they have ever looked at a "placing" type of point system where not everyone in the field gets points...

maybe like the top 20 or something with the winner 20 points + 10 bonus for the win, 2nd place would get 19, 3rd place would get 18, 4th would get 17 and so on with 20th getting 1 point...

maybe a bonus point for leading a lap and an extra bonus point for leading the most laps...

i think it would eliminate some slower cars that were in wrecks because there would be no point for them to ride (not that i mind that, it's NASCAR), and i think it makes each race that more important and you can still have the chase as is, with maybe 2 points bonus for a win...

oh well i don't have a real problem with the points now, it just seems everyone has an idea and this is mine...

Interesting you bring this up ...

Where can I find a list of how the driver and owner points are awarded? I don't want paragraphs. Just a simple table listing winner points on back. I get the lead a lap, lead the most lap thing.

It's got to be on this forum somewhere.

[Souporscotty]

Somewhere, buried in the 'bowels' of GTG is a thread about this. My personal thought on this idea was something like; First Place: 3 points! Second Place: 2 points! Third Place: 1 point! That's it. No points for laps lead,(the only one that counts is the last one) no owner points (what the heck does an owner do besides spend money?) No points for all the other BS they give points for. Just 123. This is probably incomprehesible to some.

[nascarfan24]

I think it's good how it is because it still rewards the most consistant driver (except for the chase).

[oncea3fan]

I like MM26's system but it should go back to the 30-35 positions. 1 pt. to lead under green, 5 pts to lead the most. and 5 for the win.

it would make the points seem closer too.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting you bring this up ...

Where can I find a list of how the driver and owner points are awarded? I don't want paragraphs. Just a simple table listing winner points on back. I get the lead a lap, lead the most lap thing.

It's got to be on this forum somewhere.

dunno about on GTG, but Jayski has this in the NASCAR FAQ section.

How does the Nextel Cup award points to drivers and owners?

Each driver who competes in a Cup race is awarded points in the following manner: starting at 175 points, dropping 5 points from spots 1-6, 4 points from 7-11 and 3 points from 12th and lower. 43rd is worth 34 points. Bonus points are giving to any driver who leads a lap and to the driver that leads the most laps is awarded an additional 5 bonus points (in a case of a tie, both drivers get the extra points). Owners are awarded points in the same manner, PLUS they get points for attempting a race, where as drivers do not. All teams who pass inspection and fail to make the race get owner points that descend in the order of quickest non-qualifier to the slowest. Those teams earn the position/points immediately below the last car in the field. So if a team misses the race but was the fastest non qualifier the owners would get 31 points and an other drivers would follow the 3 point drop scale, down to a minimum of 1 point. See chart

HOW Nextel CUP POINTS ARE AWARDED

NOTE: Driver Leads a Lap (under Green or Yellow Flag) gets 5 Bonus Points
Driver who leads the most laps gets 5 Bonus Points
as of 2004: Winning driver gets 180 points instead of 175
as of 2007: Winning driver gets 185 points instead of 180

Finishing Spot : Points
1 : 185
2 : 170
3 : 165
4 : 160
5 : 155
6 : 150
7 : 146
8 : 142
9 : 138
10 : 134
11 : 130
12 : 127
13 : 124
14 : 121
15 : 118
16 : 115
17 : 112
18 : 109
19 : 106
20 : 103
21 : 100
22 : 97
23 : 94
24 : 91
25 : 88
26 : 85
27 : 82
28 : 79
29 : 76
30 : 73
31 : 70
32 : 67
33 : 64
34 : 61
35 : 58
36 : 55
37 : 52
38 : 49
39 : 46
40 : 43
41 : 40
42 : 37
43 : 34
44 : 31
45 : 28
46 : 25
47 : 22
48 : 19
49 : 16
50 : 13
51 : 10
52 : 7
53 : 4
54 : 1

The driver who STARTs the race gets the points and the finishing position credit.
Spots 44 thru infinety are used to award Owners Points
to those teams who do not make a race. After 54, teams get 1 point
...drivers get NO points for an attempt

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obviously, going to another points system has broad ramifications including selection of garage stalls, order of entry for the haulers into the pits, the "Chosen", the Chase and checks paid at the annual banquet. in short, if yer gonna replace the points system, ya'd better have a good story on these other things as well.

[PenelopePitStop]

Thanks, RD. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Let me ask you this ...

Over the years, I've noticed that there are times when a driver who finishes deep in the field earns more money than some who finish ahead of him. Why's that? It is my understanding--and no, I don't have a source--that some drivers have a "minimum" dollar value that they earn when they run a race. Is this true? It also is my understanding that the money (or monies) awarded is based on the track. True?

Sorry to hound you, but you are one of the most NASCAR-
knowledgeable people I know. I HATE doing research on the web!



I know ... off Topic! Sorry!




http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb095&pp=ZN

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Thanks, RD. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Let me ask you this ...

Over the years, I've noticed that there are times when a driver who finishes deep in the field earns more money than some who finish ahead of him. Why's that? It is my understanding--and no, I don't have a source--that some drivers have a "minimum" dollar value that they earn when they run a race. Is this true? It also is my understanding that the money (or monies) awarded is based on the track. True?

Sorry to hound you, but you are one of the most NASCAR-
knowledgeable people I know. I HATE doing research on the web!



I know ... off Topic! Sorry!




http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb095&pp=ZN

Great question, Penny. I'm sure there's lots of folks on GTG that wondered about that. And, it just so happens I was reading about it while looking for the points payout you asked for....

here's two links that give a great explanation. first from NASCAR.com NASCAR.com - How money is distributed in NASCAR - February 25, 2004

then from jayski.com there's this in the NASCAR FAQ

Why do sometimes a driver who finishes lower then another driver get more money? and How much do drivers get paid?
In part from That's Racin': A lot of NASCAR drivers are eligible for various NASCAR awards programs based on past performance. For example, drivers who have won races in recent years, are part of a Winner's Circle program(click for the latest update and rules on this program) that pays them a predetermined amount of money for each race they start. Jeff Gordon, as defending Nextel Cup champion, gets a $10,000 bonus for every race he starts this season. Other differences are based on which contingency award programs a particular driver participates in. For example, Gatorade pays bonuses to the top three cars at the halfway point of a race. But, if one of the cars in the top three does not carry the Gatorade sticker on its driver-side quarter panel, it is not eligible to collect that money. This holds true for more than a dozen contingency award programs. Another explanation: there are different plans from where you are in points or if you're in the winner's circle. Top-25 in points there's one plan, 25-40 there's another plan. Then, the winner's circle, the car owner's guaranteed so much money to represent their team at the race

And from a NOL Q&A with Gary Nelson: The guaranteed finishing position purse for any particular NASCAR Nextel Cup race is distributed as set forth in the official entry blank for that race. This purse is based on revenues from tracks and television broadcasts. At most races there are additional awards based on achievements other than final finishing position. These are prizes offered by "contingency sponsors," and may include money for winning from the pole position, leading at the race's halfway point, being the top finisher to display a particular contingency decal, or other accomplishments. Some may also be based on media-voted criteria such as pit strategy, or the "cool move of the race," etc. Due to these prizes from contingency sponsors and other awards or bonuses, it is possible for a lower-finishing driver to win more total prize moneys in a particular event than another competitor with a better finishing position.(7-27-2000)

and finally, here's a list of the various contingency programs in Cup - these are the awards paid for the Chicagoland race (you can find this list at the bottom of the results on NASCAR.com for each race:

CONTINGENCY AWARDS

Bud Pole: Casey Mears,#25, National Guard/GMAC, Chevrolet
Checkers/Rally's Double Drive-Thru Challenge: Kevin Harvick,#29, Shell/Pennzoil, Chevrolet
Commit Lozenges "Commit to Win": Casey Mears,#25, National Guard/GMAC, Chevrolet
DIRECTV Crew Chief of the Race: Robbie Reiser,#17, USG Sheetrock, Ford
Dow Automotive "Strategic Call of the Race": Tony Stewart,#20, The Home Depot, Chevrolet
EA Sports Move of the Race: Tony Stewart,#20, The Home Depot, Chevrolet
Goodyear Gatorback Fastest Lap: Casey Mears,#25, National Guard/GMAC, Chevrolet
Mobil 1 Command Performance Driver of the Race: Kurt Busch,#2, Miller Lite, Dodge
Raybestos Rookie of the Race: Juan Montoya,#42, Wrigley's Big Red, Dodge
Sunoco Diamond Performance: Tony Stewart,#20, The Home Depot, Chevrolet
USG Improving the Finish Award: David Gilliland,#38, M&M's, Ford
WIX Filters Lap Leader: Tony Stewart,#20, The Home Depot, Chevrolet

there's also prizes paid to drivers/car owners/crew chiefs based decals on the car and where the car was on a specific lap during the race.

now, aren't you glad you asked?

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

now, aren't you glad you asked?

I'm VERY GLAD I asked! I get it! Can I explain it? No flippin' way, but I get it!

I'm a bit overwhelmed with all this. I had no idea! "Decals on the car and where the car was on a specific lap during the race" blows my mind!

You know, I've seen many posts regarding certain drivers being "sponsor whores" (and they know who they are), but this brings a whole new light to the meaning! I think I want to go back to the days when I just watched racing for the racing itself. Now, I have to take all these other factors into consideration. I'm sad.

If you ever decide to teach seminars on NASCAR, I'll be the first to sign up. Hell, I'll even bring the hor devours! LSC can bring the beer!

Thanks again, RD!

[Racer Duck]

here's a "for instance" to help explain the decals: suppose your driver has a FRAM filter decal on his car and suppose he finishes in the top 10 .. (this is strictly hypothetical) FRAM pays your driver $100 for each place above 11th as long as he as a FRAM filter in the car and a decal on the car.

[tkj24]

Petty Enterprises won't carry any beer decals on their cars, a promise to Richard's Mom I think, thereforth their cars can't be in the Budwiser Shootout.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by tkj24

Petty Enterprises won't carry any beer decals on their cars, a promise to Richard's Mom I think, thereforth their cars can't be in the Budwiser Shootout.

I thought it was cause he wouldn't let them run in the shootout?

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I thought it was cause he wouldn't let them run in the shootout?

Jeff Green to sit OUT of the Bud Shootout: When young Richard Petty began his racing career some five decades ago, his mother fretted about her son getting involved in a wild and reckless sport that was just a hiccup removed from moonshine running. Petty tried to ease his mother's concern by promising her that his race team never would have anything to do with alcohol. That 50-year-old promise will keep #43-Jeff Green out of the Feb. 7 Budweiser Shootout at Daytona. Green won last year's Daytona 500 pole, making him eligible for the Shootout. The race matches the previous season's pole-winners, plus past Shootout champions. But there's a catch. In order to qualify for the Shootout, a driver's car must carry a small Budweiser decal during the season. Petty refuses to permit any beer advertising on his cars. That means his driver is not eligible for the lucrative Bud Shootout. While Petty is adamant about no beer decals on his cars, over the years he has competed in beer-sponsored races like the Budweiser 400 and Miller 400. Petty's response: he has no control over who sponsors a race, but he does have control over who sponsors his cars. With Green sitting out, the Bud Shootout will consist of 21 drivers.(Tennessean), note: Green could still run the race if he runs another car and if, of course, the Petty's ok that.(1-29-2004)
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[Quality88]

ahh, I see said the blind man.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I'm VERY GLAD I asked! I get it! Can I explain it? No flippin' way, but I get it!

I'm a bit overwhelmed with all this. I had no idea! "Decals on the car and where the car was on a specific lap during the race" blows my mind!

You know, I've seen many posts regarding certain drivers being "sponsor whores" (and they know who they are), but this brings a whole new light to the meaning! I think I want to go back to the days when I just watched racing for the racing itself. Now, I have to take all these other factors into consideration. I'm sad.

If you ever decide to teach seminars on NASCAR, I'll be the first to sign up. Hell, I'll even bring the hor devours! LSC can bring the beer!

Thanks again, RD!

Lord knows that with all the penalties here at GTG I've got plenty, although I had two tonight after a very sweet evening of ballooning.