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Old 07-12-2007, 06:30 PM
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Spending Cap

Maybe this could have gone under the 'Max # of teams' thread; but what about a 'spending cap'? Car owners can have as many cars as they want, but can only spend a set amount of dollars on each one.
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:35 PM
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dont really like the idea .... sorry

most things it seems cost the same for everyone, the car and engine are all basically the same

though they can spend more on some things like pit crew ...... now if an owner wants to shell out the cash to hire ex-college football players to be his pit crew it seems fair to me
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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So you're saying it is OK to buy a championship ?
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:34 PM
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So you're saying it is OK to buy a championship ?
what do you mean by "buy a championship"?
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:39 AM
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So you're saying it is OK to buy a championship ?
Yes, thats why HMS spends so much, its why the Yankees win, the owner is doing his best to buy a championship!

Back to the original post, Nascar doesn't want a union, and if they did this thats what they would get!
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:09 AM
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what do you mean by "buy a championship"?
Since the topic is about a spending cap I assume that we are discussing the pro's and con's of spending a limitless amount of money. So in the context of this thread I'm asking do you think it is fair to spend and unlimited amount of money to win/buy a championship.

Understand I am not advocating one way or the other at this point. I'm merely promoting discussion.
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:56 AM
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Isn't this the very subject Roush cried Toyota would do?
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:03 AM
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Since the topic is about a spending cap I assume that we are discussing the pro's and con's of spending a limitless amount of money. So in the context of this thread I'm asking do you think it is fair to spend and unlimited amount of money to win/buy a championship.

Understand I am not advocating one way or the other at this point. I'm merely promoting discussion.
Struggle we do with trying to put in to words the thoughts and emotions that run through the mind when considering whether we want or need to install blinders and halters/hobblers on the horses we enjoy seeing run.

Usually find some "settling" around just a few. All of which drive it seems off of direct personal involvement in varius areas of the sport:

As a viewer / fan

I want the opportunity to go and see the best of the best of the best apply themselves without limitation to the engineering, organization, coordination, intelligence, physical skills, et al in the competition that is Motorsports. Understand "without limitation" will always bend to safety, integrity, spirit, health of the sport, and the maintenance of competitive levels.

As a participant (driver, owner, team member)

Above all we always tried to remember that without the family of competitors we'd drive in circles alone, eventually entertaining not even ourselves. At each and every level, class, type of motorsports competition in which we participated we knew "what it would take to participate and compete" before entering/investing. Ya quick want the chaff OUT. They simply will now allow attainment of the highest levels of safety, integrity, spirit, health of the sport, and the maintenance of competitive levels.

As a member of a governing body

While NEVER being involved at anything near the very top levels, not even remotely (F1, Cup, IRL, etc., etc.), were always directed towards - Attain and maintain the highest levels of safety, integrity, spirit, health of the sport, and the maintenance of competitive levels.

See spending limitations often decided upon based on the health of the/a sport. Many (most) spending caps/limits get implemented when a sports health is becoming jeopardized. When some significant number of existing and viable teams/franchises are clearly "on the ropes" and considering exit, AND there are no potential replacement competitors/investors outside waiting to get in - that's unhealthy. Right now - not sure this describes NASCAR at the Cup level, BUT ----


Above are just views within which there are many opportunities for misinterpretation, disagreement, confusion, consideration. Just tried to grab thoughts that traversed the mind(?) when cells were tickled by the title of the post and associated discussions around limiting dominance via $ throttles.
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Old 07-13-2007, 07:29 AM
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Since the topic is about a spending cap I assume that we are discussing the pro's and con's of spending a limitless amount of money. So in the context of this thread I'm asking do you think it is fair to spend and unlimited amount of money to win/buy a championship.

Understand I am not advocating one way or the other at this point. I'm merely promoting discussion.
i think rules are already in place to avoid this .... its not like youre showing up at the track with a Yugo and i have a Ferrari

and another difference between this and most other pro sports is that the teams dont own the tracks like the Red Sox own Fenway .... so they have no stake in ticket sales and such

the only real on track advantages i see at the moment are potentially a better pit crew .... potentially better non-car equipment (my jack is better then yours) ..... potentially better preparedness (testing and what not) ...... seems they already have these advantages in place with no cap .... is it affecting the outcome of races ? ... maybe so must be some reason HMS wins and Wood Bros. dont
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Old 07-13-2007, 09:15 AM
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i think rules are already in place to avoid this .... its not like youre showing up at the track with a Yugo and i have a Ferrari

and another difference between this and most other pro sports is that the teams dont own the tracks like the Red Sox own Fenway .... so they have no stake in ticket sales and such

the only real on track advantages i see at the moment are potentially a better pit crew .... potentially better non-car equipment (my jack is better then yours) ..... potentially better preparedness (testing and what not) ...... seems they already have these advantages in place with no cap .... is it affecting the outcome of races ? ... maybe so must be some reason HMS wins and Wood Bros. dont
just missed the brass ring! Penske owns some tracks (Michigan comes to mind.)

If ya have enough money, ya can buy all the "stuff" that helps ya win. BUT, I've never found anybody who could buy talent nor fate. Yes, talent is for hire, but just 'till a bigger wallet comes along. Fate, on the other hand, seems unconcerned with shiney sparklies, recognition or bank account.

So, can ya buy a win? Probably.

Can ya buy a championship? doubt it, but if fate cooperates, it's possible.
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Old 07-13-2007, 11:36 AM
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Re: Spending Cap

I guess when I say win I actually mean that money significantly improves the odds of winning. No real example needed here.

I feel that the larger purse probably means better technology and more equipment. I think items such as jacks are probably the same for all but when it comes to a team having a dyno (just an example) available maybe some do and others just cannot afford it.

Another point from WingKey was that you want to be able to see all of this without limitation other than what you listed. My only axe to grind there is the Knausing factor. The more you have the easier it becomes to follow that route.

Once again I very loudly state that I am not declaring my point of view on this subject, I find this debate interesting personally so I won't destroy it with my wacky thoughts.
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:26 PM
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Yes, thats why HMS spends so much, its why the Yankees win, the owner is doing his best to buy a championship!

Back to the original post, Nascar doesn't want a union, and if they did this thats what they would get!
Yankees haven't been doin so hot the last few years... they've been spendin millions only to get cranked in the playoffs. The little fiasco with them droppin four straight to the Bosox really scrwed them over. As for Hendrick buyin a championship.... well I'll leave that one alon for now.
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:41 PM
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Yankees haven't been doin so hot the last few years... they've been spendin millions only to get cranked in the playoffs. The little fiasco with them droppin four straight to the Bosox really scrwed them over. As for Hendrick buyin a championship.... well I'll leave that one alon for now.
Well you can TRY to buy a championship anyways!
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Old 07-14-2007, 04:13 PM
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Isn't that why all the owners and sponsors put money into the racing?
To WIN or BUY a championship. Same difference.
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