[rave20]

What I like is that so far Nascar has allowed kevin to talk and not fined him etc. There has to be some personality good or bad allowed to show. Now if it goes on track or is detrimental in some way that's a different story. I do think Kevin is setting himslf up for a problem though. Shame, I was just starting to like him.

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by bevo311evolver

man, another disagreement .. we havent gotten off to a good note. something to remember .. mmkay .. jr is NOT his dad .. and no one should compare him him to his dad. he is his own person, so to think he is going to win 7 championships is absurd.

well I don't expect 7 championships........................yet

but at the time I didn't see anything to set him apart from any other up and coming driver.

now take matinsville , that slide he saved and was so excited about,
now that earned points!

in the begining there was coat tail riding(i'm gonna burn for that one ), but he is DEI today.

that what I like about kevin when he took over, he was right in there bumbin and grindin making his way.

[Nevadastars]

I agree with both of you. Jr has definately been shoved down our throats......but that is not his fault, its the medias. As far as coat-tail riding, I don't think that's a fair statement. He won back to back Busch Championships before coming to Cup. His father made sure he paid his dues before he went to the top level. He has proven he is a winner. The competition is extremely tough today, and getting to and staying on top has to be extremely difficult, no matter who you are.

Anyone remember during Kurt Buschs rookie year when Kurt got into Jr. and spun him out? After the Bud team made repairs, Jr. went back out on the track, tied himself to Kurts rear bumper.......daring him to make a mistake. If Kurt would have slipped just a little......he would have been in the fence. He was glued to the back of that car for around 20 laps, then Nascar finally told him to back off or they were going to black flag him. The point is, I couldn't believe the car control he had during those laps, and he never touched Busch. There is no doubt the kid can drive, and I think he is holding up pretty well considering the pressure he must be under to stay on top.

[Smoke842]

Nevada, I don't remember that but I should, sounds very cool, being a huge Jr fan and, how should I put this. Okay, just going to say it, Bush hater. Both of them. Jeff Gordon has also been shoved down our throats. Deep breaths, Gordon lovers, just my opinion.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Smoke842

Deep breaths, Gordon lovers, just my opinion.

LOL!

I dont remember what track it was, but Dover seems to be sticking in my brain. It was quite a driving display, and I never forgot it.

[bevo311evolver]

I remember that ... that was some intense driving. Jr is a great driver .. lets not forget .. 2 championships .. even 3 .. that is a GREAT driver .. championships dont come easy in NASCAR. For Jr to win 2 before his career is out, i think, would be a great career. As for Jr being shoved down throats .. lets look at it.

2000 was his rookie year .. this after back-to-back busch series championships. of course he had a lot of cred right there. next, it was dale sr .. one of the best drivers of all time's son .. racing together .. again, you can totally expect some hype there. 2001 comes ... i dont think we have to discuss that. but, you have to expect the media to be ALL OVER him then. and they were.

By 2003 that had subsided a bit .. but then, Jr was in the Championship Hunt ... 3rd and 5th in two years. Then we go to 2005 and Jr sucks it up .. but that is big news .. someone who was in the chase a year ago finishing 19th?!?!

So as you can see, while some ppl think Jr's media attention isnt well deserved, it is. Every single year he has raced he has had a story that has went throughout the season. This year, he doesn't as of yet .. so we haven't heard alot. But Martinsville sure did turn that around.

Jr isn't Sr .... don't compare.

[LSC9901]

The comparison thing will continue for years to come. At least until he wins a championship and then I'm not convinced it will go away. After that they will say "can he do 6 more to tie his Dad?"

My vote is get rid of Harvick. I don't like his hot temopered attitude. Send him to Toyota. My guess and hope is that it will be years before they become competitive. What better place for such a crybaby.

[bevo311evolver]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

The comparison thing will continue for years to come. At least until he wins a championship and then I'm not convinced it will go away. After that they will say "can he do 6 more to tie his Dad?"

My vote is get rid of Harvick. I don't like his hot temopered attitude. Send him to Toyota. My guess and hope is that it will be years before they become competitive. What better place for such a crybaby.

they came in and won a TON in the truck series

[LSC9901]

The truck series had very little history for any of the teams when they won. It was all uncharted territory at that point. In my view I just don't see Toyota coming in and winning right away. Anyway .... it is about Harvick and no matter who he drives for or what he drives, I don't like his 9 year old attitude.

[bevo311evolver]

2004 Toyota Wins: 11 of 25 (44%)
2005 Toyota Wins: 9 of 25 (36%)
2006 Toyota Wins: 2 of 4 (50%)

... not bad if you ask me ..

[LSC9901]

Again I won't argue with their success but there are major differences with car racing versus truck racing. The aero-dynamics are different. The cup series has 50 years of manufacturer historywhile the truck series has far less. They all went into the truck series on equal footing (more or less) That is not the case with cup racing. I may be proven wrong next year but if Dodge, who has been in cup racing, hasn't won a championship recently I can't see Toyota doing it either. The last championship by Dodge was 31 years ago.


I'll still be glad to see Harvick go !!!

[bevo311evolver]

Umm .. Toyota will be in the Car of Tomorrow age .. they are almost the exact same car .. except different air ducts for the nose lol .. the days of it being "stock" and based upon the "manufacturing" of the cars is over .. it will be more like an IROC series almost.

And Toyota has the money ... if they put all the money they had into stock car racing, they'd dominate. its been talked about by drivers as the chief concern.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by bevo311evolver

And Toyota has the money ... if they put all the money they had into stock car racing, they'd dominate. its been talked about by drivers as the chief concern.

I dont see Nascar letting anyone totally dominate. Since they will be running the same bodies and chassis, the only thing left is the engines, and shock packages. Nascar is very strict in the engine designs and won't let them have any kind of serious performance advantage. When Dodge first came back to Cup, the first engine block they developed was dissapproved because it allowed a very short stroke, which in turn provided a large bore and valves. This would allow the engine to rev quicker and have more rpm.
Toyota has the $$$ to come up with a killer engine, but I dont see it happening. BUT there is no doubt it should be nearly bulletproof. In my opinion, in the upcoming CoT races, the guys who come up with the best shock packages will be the ones to beat. The big established teams are already on top of that game.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by bevo311evolver

Umm .. Toyota will be in the Car of Tomorrow age .. they are almost the exact same car .. except different air ducts for the nose lol .. the days of it being "stock" and based upon the "manufacturing" of the cars is over .. it will be more like an IROC series almost.

And Toyota has the money ... if they put all the money they had into stock car racing, they'd dominate. its been talked about by drivers as the chief concern.

I cannot attest to it but somewhere in one of these threads there was a statement that said only the center of the car would the COT. The nose and rear clip will still have the "manufacturer" design. If Toyota wins the championship next year I'll eat a one pound piece of cyberspace. Deal ?

and I still don't like Harvick.

[oncea3fan]

BEVO,

you make good points of there being story around jr. every year,
I used to like him aswell has gordon, but again gordon was jamed down our thoats too, I don't care for him either.

as for harvick, I am on the fence there, I don't like this we'll talk sometime thing, if your gonna go say so.
I'd rather him be like mayfieldwhen he was like anyone would be crazy to split up this team.

Kevin! where's your committment ????

glad I don't have a poop load of stuff like I do Dale Sr.