[Racer Duck]

here's your chance to tell NASCAR how they did...

go to the NASCAR home page, on the left side near the bottom is the poll.

when I put in my 2 cents worth, it showed just over 55 thousand votes and 39% = just right with the rest split evenly between too light and too heavy.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

here's your chance to tell NASCAR how they did...

go to the NASCAR home page, on the left side near the bottom is the poll.

when I put in my 2 cents worth, it showed just over 55 thousand votes and 39% = just right with the rest split evenly between too light and too heavy.

Statisticians, and oh Lord no even perhaps common sense/deduction, says that = "Just Right"

I'd be in violent agreement with "Just Right". Message needs to be - don't mess with the templates/specifications of the new car. The first offense message within 100 points, crew chief out 16.7% of the total season, and $100K is attention getting. I'd likely wager few want to see the second offense penalties and that is the way the first should be structured. Second perhaps ought target driver with a "sit 6", crew chief with "season over", owner with $250K. The new car config would become as pure as the proverbial driven snow.

Slam 'em

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Statisticians, and oh Lord no even perhaps common sense/deduction, says that = "Just Right"

I'd be in violent agreement with "Just Right". Message needs to be - don't mess with the templates/specifications of the new car. The first offense message within 100 points, crew chief out 16.7% of the total season, and $100K is attention getting. I'd likely wager few want to see the second offense penalties and that is the way the first should be structured. Second perhaps ought target driver with a "sit 6", crew chief with "season over", owner with $250K. The new car config would become as pure as the proverbial driven snow.

Slam 'em

I like this thought because it is progressive in its effort to punish and you can bet that the sponsor would be in there telling the owner "Don't cheat or kiss our deal good-bye."

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I like this thought because it is progressive in its effort to punish and you can bet that the sponsor would be in there telling the owner "Don't cheat or kiss our deal good-bye."

ditto the driver...

I'm a firm believer that most drivers don't know what the crew chief & owner are doing to his car...and don't want to know!

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I like this thought because it is progressive in its effort to punish and you can bet that the sponsor would be in there telling the owner "Don't cheat or kiss our deal good-bye."

But then what do you do with Chad Knaus? Read this from Head to Head from NASCAR.com

"In '06, there was Daytona. In '05, Knaus was suspended two races and the team docked 25 points for having the car's roof too low at Las Vegas although in appeal, his suspension was lifted. In '03, at the Coca-Cola 600, Johnson's car had an unapproved fuel system and Knaus was fined $2,500 after winning the race. In '02, a 25-point deduction and $25,000 fine for Knaus at the Daytona July race for offsetting bolts.
That's quite the resume.
In the last six years, Knaus has been punished by NASCAR five times for illegal modifications to his car. Yet, the 48 team just chugs along and hasn't finished outside the top five in points."



Chad seems to play by the rules for the rest of the year, watch for next year.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

ditto the driver...

I'm a firm believer that most drivers don't know what the crew chief & owner are doing to his car...and don't want to know!

Plausible deniability works almost every time. Ask any professional politician.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by King43STP

But then what do you do with Chad Knaus? Read this from Head to Head from NASCAR.com

"In '06, there was Daytona. In '05, Knaus was suspended two races and the team docked 25 points for having the car's roof too low at Las Vegas although in appeal, his suspension was lifted. In '03, at the Coca-Cola 600, Johnson's car had an unapproved fuel system and Knaus was fined $2,500 after winning the race. In '02, a 25-point deduction and $25,000 fine for Knaus at the Daytona July race for offsetting bolts.
That's quite the resume.
In the last six years, Knaus has been punished by NASCAR five times for illegal modifications to his car. Yet, the 48 team just chugs along and hasn't finished outside the top five in points."



Chad seems to play by the rules for the rest of the year, watch for next year.

I repeat again that the thought is good. Now NASCAR needs to implement progressive punishment. NOT !!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by King43STP

But then what do you do with Chad Knaus? Read this from Head to Head from NASCAR.com

"In '06, there was Daytona. In '05, Knaus was suspended two races and the team docked 25 points for having the car's roof too low at Las Vegas although in appeal, his suspension was lifted. In '03, at the Coca-Cola 600, Johnson's car had an unapproved fuel system and Knaus was fined $2,500 after winning the race. In '02, a 25-point deduction and $25,000 fine for Knaus at the Daytona July race for offsetting bolts.
That's quite the resume.
In the last six years, Knaus has been punished by NASCAR five times for illegal modifications to his car. Yet, the 48 team just chugs along and hasn't finished outside the top five in points."



Chad seems to play by the rules for the rest of the year, watch for next year.

I've heard it reported several times, but I can't confirm, that the actual count of Knaus/NASCAR penalties have been seven, not five, as Yoakum reports.

Be that as it may, I heard John Darby in an interview asked why Knaus' penalties haven't escalated. His answer was, "NASCAR doesn't hold grudges. This is considered a new offense."

Note to John Darby: John. In most circles it is accepted that doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is considered insanity. Think about it! Tell us, John. Just what would it take for Knaus to do, to get him ejected entirely from NASCAR? What exactly will it take for NASCAR to get fed up with his actions? Hell, John. If we aren't going to "Hold grudges," let's let Kevin Grubb and Shane Hmiel come back and motor around while taking recreational pharmaceuticals? Maybe they could drive for Hendrick. That'd make it all better, I'm sure.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I've heard it reported several times, but I can't confirm, that the actual count of Knaus/NASCAR penalties have been seven, not five, as Yoakum reports.

NASCAR's top delinquents



Posted: Wednesday February 22, 2006 12:53PM; Updated: Wednesday February 22, 2006 5:11PM


Knaus -- excuse the yawn -- has been penalized seven times by NASCAR in less than five seasons. Three other times he has been asked to fork over at least $25,000 for infractions.


This was on Sports Illustrated. Notice the date, Feb 2006.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

NASCAR's top delinquents



Posted: Wednesday February 22, 2006 12:53PM; Updated: Wednesday February 22, 2006 5:11PM


[B]Knaus -- excuse the yawn -- has been penalized seven times by NASCAR in less than five seasons. Three other times he has been asked to fork over at least $25,000 for infractions. [/b]


This was on Sports Illustrated. Notice the date, Feb 2006.

Once more we see the TV media pogues who try and dabble in the written word should stick to their microphones and hair gel.

[King43STP]

Losing Bonus Points Would Hurt Title Contenders



Jun 29, 5:42 PM (ET)

By MIKE HARRISLOUDON, N.H. (AP) -When Nextel Cup leader Jeff Gordon was docked 100 points this week for a technical infraction, the chief beneficiary was series runner-up Denny Hamlin.
Instead of trailing Gordon by 271 points, Hamlin enters Sunday's race at New Hampshire International Speedway just 171 points behind the four-time Cup champion.
But Hamlin suggested a more appropriate - and costly - penalty would have been to take away some of Gordon's bonus points.
Under the new Chase for the championship format, the 12 drivers who qualify will be seeded on the basis of wins, with 10 points added to their totals for each victory during the 26-race regular season.
Right now, Gordon and Hendrick Motorsports teammate Jimmie Johnson, fifth in the standings after also losing 100 points this week, lead the Cup series with four victories apiece.
"Honestly, from my perspective, for the other ... guys that are going to be in that Chase, we would much rather see 10 bonus points taken away than we would 100 real points," said Hamlin, who finished third last year in his first full Cup season. "That team, they can afford to give up 100 points. They could afford to give up 300 points right now. So, it really doesn't matter."

[Mike24]

Well whats new, Hamlin complaining about HMS...

[BurtonNascar31]

johnson and gordon should be suppended for a long time, they cheated them/team is 1, the car was bigger and had a bigger advantage, its a good thing nascar caught it. im going 2 dover in september (i go 2 dover and richmond the most) and if i see johnson or gordon im goina tell them off, no question, i don't care if i get thrown out, i hate them, always have.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by BurtonNascar31

johnson and gordon should be suppended for a long time, they cheated them/team is 1, the car was bigger and had a bigger advantage, its a good thing nascar caught it. im going 2 dover in september (i go 2 dover and richmond the most) and if i see johnson or gordon im goina tell them off, no question, i don't care if i get thrown out, i hate them, always have.

They should have been suspended? So Hendrick takes the cars to NASCAR and NASCAR says "yeah, those cars are legal". But wait a minute, on Friday they take them to the inspection line, and they fail? Again, showing the fact NASCAR is once again making up the rules as they go. Gordon and Johnson shouldn't have been penalized at all for this nonsense.

[BurtonNascar31]

Brian vickers got sent home 2day for failing inspection, nascar is showing favortism.