[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by simple simon

isnt that a bit nit-picky ? how much difference does an 1/8 of an inch make in down-force ?

That was my first thought, Simon. Does that tiny amount really make a difference and couldn't it be something like pressure in the tire on that side that could make it off by that tiny bit? I'm a technical moron, forgive me. But this really seems over the top to me.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

That was my first thought, Simon. Does that tiny amount really make a difference and couldn't it be something like pressure in the tire on that side that could make it off by that tiny bit? I'm a technical moron, forgive me. But this really seems over the top to me.

nit picky? yes. but it's a COT race and NA$CAR is being extra tough on COT inspections.

it could be any number of things - probably not tire pressure, but possible. more likely a shock that's didn't rebound like it was supposed to or a spring that gave up a little.

does that help?

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

not much on a mile track but this is a COT race .. no tolerance!

i knew you would know the answer RD, thats why i asked ......... anyway this happened during his run ?

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

nit picky? yes. but it's a COT race and NA$CAR is being extra tough on COT inspections.

it could be any number of things - probably not tire pressure, but possible. more likely a shock that's didn't rebound like it was supposed to or a spring that gave up a little.

does that help?

You rule, RD. I can always count on your knowledge of the sport and it's great! Your answer helps, indeed. I agree with the need for being tough, but if it turns out to be something like a non rebounding shock, is there any way NASCAR can differentiate between intentional and a faulty shock? And if they can, should there be a penalty for something that can't be controlled? (A la Gordon at Daytona?)

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

You rule, RD. I can always count on your knowledge of the sport and it's great! Your answer helps, indeed. I agree with the need for being tough, but if it turns out to be something like a non rebounding shock, is there any way NASCAR can differentiate between intentional and a faulty shock? And if they can, should there be a penalty for something that can't be controlled? (A la Gordon at Daytona?)

as I remember, seems like last year Jr. maybe? had problems with a post race inspection failure with a rear corner being too low due to a spring sagging.

us short track guys know to "pull up" on the car as we walk away so the inspectors can do their thing. seems the big league guys have forgotten their roots.

NASCAR has historically said "tough" to those types of problems. their rationale is the measurements are in the rules and are known, so other than a crash which "rearranges the body", the car is expected to meet the requirements.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Well whats new, Hamlin complaining about HMS...

Complaining or asking for a more equitable solution/penalty ?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

They should have been suspended? So Hendrick takes the cars to NASCAR and NASCAR says "yeah, those cars are legal". But wait a minute, on Friday they take them to the inspection line, and they fail? Again, showing the fact NASCAR is once again making up the rules as they go. Gordon and Johnson shouldn't have been penalized at all for this nonsense.

Do you really believe that Mike ????? You keep mentioning that at some point the cars went to NASCAR center (?) and were OK but then went to the inspection and they weren't. Someone posted the rules that were violated. You really can't see and/or understand the violations ??

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

isnt that a bit nit-picky ? how much difference does an 1/8 of an inch make in down-force ?

Obviously they are just doing what they should be doing ... enforcing the rules. What is the difference between 1/8 and 1/4 ??? If the rule says 1/8 then anything more than that is a violation. The line in the sand must be drawn somewhere.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Obviously they are just doing what they should be doing ... enforcing the rules. What is the difference between 1/8 and 1/4 ??? If the rule says 1/8 then anything more than that is a violation. The line in the sand must be drawn somewhere.

im not saying they are wrong ..... im just wondering how much difference it makes

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

im not saying they are wrong ..... im just wondering how much difference it makes

I understand that but I equate that to driving 67 MPH's in a 65 zone. True it isn't that much over the limit and it isn't going to change my driving time by a lot but ..... it's illegal.

I guess I'm also saying that the difference it might make is probably minimal and true .... none of this answers your question. Sounds like a question for Bob or Ducky.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by simple simon

im not saying they are wrong ..... im just wondering how much difference it makes

Well a few years ago Chad Knaus was fined for the same reason. It turned out Chad or one of the mechanics did something with the shocks.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I understand that but I equate that to driving 67 MPH's in a 65 zone. True it isn't that much over the limit and it isn't going to change my driving time by a lot but ..... it's illegal.

I guess I'm also saying that the difference it might make is probably minimal and true .... none of this answers your question. Sounds like a question for Bob or Ducky.

thought I answered that .. maybe it was another thread - there are so many!!!

1/8 inch lower on a left front fender on a 1 mile track isn't much of an advantage, but it's still some advantage. hardly enough to take a chance of missing the race over. (I do not think Brian's crew did anything wrong, this is one of those mysterious parts failures that happen every now and then .. IMHO)

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by simple simon

Vickers was not sent home because he failed inspection ...... he would not have been allowed to qualify ....... since he isnt in the top 35 and has no provisionals he was sent home ....... that isnt NASCAR's fault it's Vickers

Let me see if I have the dots connected, Simon...
If you cheat but are in The Chosen you can race, but if you cheat and aren't in The Chosen you go home.

Maybe it's just the fact that I'm old and have grown cynical and quite crotchity but I find that train of thought to be illogical and just plain sucks.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Let me see if I have the dots connected, Simon...
If you cheat but are in The Chosen you can race, but if you cheat and aren't in The Chosen you go home.

Maybe it's just the fact that I'm old and have grown cynical and quite crotchity but I find that train of thought to be illogical and just plain sucks.

obviously you're not in The Chosen...nor a sympathizer.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

obviously you're not in The Chosen...nor a sympathizer.

Obviously...

If The Chosen Rule was a law enacted by the governmaent it'd probably be known as The High-Profile Team and Driver Protection Act.

Fairness and Level Playing Field is NOT a sportsman-like consideration.