[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

At the end of the day, NASCAR doesn't give a rat's a$$ what you, me, or the man in the moon think. Nature of the beast, I guess.

ahh, but the ticket buyer wields a mighty sword. NASCAR bows to that sword.

unfortunately, the ticket buyers aren't very organized and usually span both sides of any argument (except muddy parking lots) so relying on them to "rise up" is wasted effort....

[LSC9901]

Interesting discussion. The standout point I see is, are the penalties fair ? Comparing the loss of positions versus no loss of positions seem somewhat null and void. When you decide on a penalty I don't think you can factor in the effect it might have. The speeding ticket example was good. Obviously the millionaire suffers far less than the average Joe, but that is not the fault of the system. The only way the governing body should view this issue is 1.) what did they do wrong and 2.) what is the penalty for it ?? The effect can never be calculated when rules are made because you never know just what effect it will have. Now if you want to change the penalty itself then that is yet another issue. Simply dropping someone 2 positions for a violation may work. I must admit that I do like the idea of a loss of bonus points for the chase. If those two lost their 40 chase points that might have a larger effect on them. You have to consider that not everyone gets bonus points so that couldn't be a penalty that could be universally applied.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Interesting discussion. The standout point I see is, are the penalties fair ? Comparing the loss of positions versus no loss of positions seem somewhat null and void. When you decide on a penalty I don't think you can factor in the effect it might have. The speeding ticket example was good. Obviously the millionaire suffers far less than the average Joe, but that is not the fault of the system. The only way the governing body should view this issue is 1.) what did they do wrong and 2.) what is the penalty for it ?? The effect can never be calculated when rules are made because you never know just what effect it will have. Now if you want to change the penalty itself then that is yet another issue. Simply dropping someone 2 positions for a violation may work. I must admit that I do like the idea of a loss of bonus points for the chase. If those two lost their 40 chase points that might have a larger effect on them. You have to consider that not everyone gets bonus points so that couldn't be a penalty that could be universally applied.

Well ... there you go ... throwing logic into this mess!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Well ... there you go ... throwing logic into this mess!

Logic and nascar don't work together.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Logic and nascar don't work together.

I have it on good authority that they work on different sides of the street and have been known to launch bottle rockets at each other during lunchtime...

[LSC9901]

Does anything really work with NASCAR ???

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Does anything really work with NASCAR ???

yes .. the money taker at the ticket counter.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Does anything really work with NASCAR ???

they must be doing something right, they are possibly the 2nd most popular sport in the US ...... the NFL is clearly 1st and 2nd could go to baseball or NASCAR

and besides, it's almost all you guys talk about

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

yes .. the money taker at the ticket counter.

No, No Penny. He works FOR, not with !!!!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

No, No Penny. He works FOR, not with !!!!

Penny

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Does anything really work with NASCAR ???

nonsense, stupidity, and anyone who can f&%kup a one car parade?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Penny

My mistake Ducky !!!! 96 hot humid degrees here today. Drove 80 miles to attend an uncles burial. Stood out in the hot sun and further cooked the aging gray matter.

My apologies.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

they must be doing something right, they are possibly the 2nd most popular sport in the US ...... the NFL is clearly 1st and 2nd could go to baseball or NASCAR

and besides, it's almost all you guys talk about

What else is there ????

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

What else is there ????

football and the Red Sox

[LSC9901]

I may have heard of the Red Sox but football ????