[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Mike24

But they didn't cut the fenders, they edited them within the template.

(parts or components of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that have been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance will not be permitted);

There you go Mike..... in other words "don't screw with it or pay the price"

[LSC9901]

Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); 20-2.1E (parts or components of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that have been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance will not be permitted); and 20-2H (fenders may not be cut or altered except for wheel or tire clearance which must be approved by the Series Director) of the 2007 NASCAR rule book.

Mike it seems to me that this ruling contradicts what you are saying. I was under the impression that the rule book was something that all the teams had, so ignorance of the rule is no excuse. With HMS having 500 employees you know that a couple of them are lawyers who know th erules and how to try and stretch them. If it were OK to do it then why didn't the other 41 teams, 2 of which are also HMS teams, incorporate the modification also ??? Maybe they read and understood the rule book.

Face it the appeal is just a last ditch effort to try and save face. Another instance where Rick (as Bob would say "The Felon") is guilty.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Mike it seems to me that this ruling contradicts what you are saying. I was under the impression that the rule book was something that all the teams had, so ignorance of the rule is no excuse. With HMS having 500 employees you know that a couple of them are lawyers who know th erules and how to try and stretch them. If it were OK to do it then why didn't the other 41 teams, 2 of which are also HMS teams, incorporate the modification also ??? Maybe they read and understood the rule book.

Face it the appeal is just a last ditch effort to try and save face. Another instance where Rick (as Bob would say "The Felon") is guilty.

hmmmmm. if the rule is in the book, then it was a infraction. But I don't understand how HMS took the 2 cars to the NASCAR center so the cars can be checked, and NASCAR said it was fine. All of the sudden, it goes through the inspection line and NASCAR says there is something wrong with it? Something is fishy.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

hmmmmm. if the rule is in the book, then it was a infraction. But I don't understand how HMS took the 2 cars to the NASCAR center so the cars can be checked, and NASCAR said it was fine. All of the sudden, it goes through the inspection line and NASCAR says there is something wrong with it? Something is fishy.

NASCAR center ???

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

NASCAR center ???

Yeah, it was something like that. Hendrick brought the cars so NASCAR could check whether the cars were ok. NASCAR said the cars were legal.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Yeah, it was something like that. Hendrick brought the cars so NASCAR could check whether the cars were ok. NASCAR said the cars were legal.

Something like that ???? I've never heard of it but the only thing that really matters is the inspection. They failed. They violated the rules. They have been penalized. HMS will appeal and end up with egg on their face ... again.

If all 43 teams had violated this rule that might lend some credence to what you are trying to say. They didn't even have all of the HMS cars show up with the issue. Guilty just as Jr.'s team was guilty of illegal braces ... even though they just forgot (right!!!) to change them after testing.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Something like that ???? I've never heard of it but the only thing that really matters is the inspection. They failed. They violated the rules. They have been penalized. HMS will appeal and end up with egg on their face ... again.

If all 43 teams had violated this rule that might lend some credence to what you are trying to say. They didn't even have all of the HMS cars show up with the issue. Guilty just as Jr.'s team was guilty of illegal braces ... even though they just forgot (right!!!) to change them after testing.

Something like that means Hendrick brought the cars to NASCAR, and they said they were legal. But all of the sudden on Friday the cars failed? Hmmmmm, something seems fishy to me.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Now wait a minute. On Thursday NASCAR says the cars are legal, but all of the sudden on Friday the cars failed? Hmmmmm, something is fishy to me.

Again I'm not sure what this NASCAR center is you are talking about. Can you be more specific as to where they were on Thursday and what process they went through to have NASCAR say they were legal ? Possibly it was some unofficial template check point ???? If that was the case then it wasn't a complete inspection ... or so I would guess. The actual inspection process happens on Friday.

[jks812]

I have checked every story I can find about the penalties and can't find in any of them about Hendrick taking the cars to a Nascar center to be checked and them saying the cars were fine. But I may have missed it. Can you post a link to the story or post the story itself that said that?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

I have checked every story I can find about the penalties and can't find in any of them about Hendrick taking the cars to a Nascar center to be checked and them saying the cars were fine. But I may have missed it. Can you post a link to the story or post the story itself that said that?

I'm with you on this one. Nobody in the media is talking about the cars passing one day and failing the next. Dig deep Mike.

[Mike24]

They were talking about it on ESPN's NASCAR Now earlier this week. I'll see if I can find any links.

[Jeffrey4318]

Originally Posted by Mike24

They were talking about it on ESPN's NASCAR Now earlier this week. I'll see if I can find any links.

Which day? I dvr all the Nascar Nows. Maybe I can find it for you.

[jks812]

You would think Hendrick would bring it up in some of his comments, but I can't find where he has. Even the day it happened, they didn't say anything about that.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

Which day? I dvr all the Nascar Nows. Maybe I can find it for you.

Good. Maybe he can tell you which day and you find it for us. I'm interested in this. Because this could have been his way out, but he didn't bring it up to them. I'm wondering why.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Heh, there's always a way to work the system I guess. They should keep these guys under supervision during race time and keep them from doing stuff like this, although clearly NASCAR doesn't have a problem with it if this is being discussed openly by the crew chiefs.

Lefty. I have thought this exact thing. Set up a "Penalty Trailer" where the "Suspended" could set and watch the race but have absolutely no contact with their team from 0900 to checkered flag.

Then, I began to think about legal ramifications. Since the CC's don't work for NASCAR but rather are contract employees for the team owner, I doubt that NASCAR has the legal ability to go to such measures.

I think this might be the problem with NASCAR not allowing CUP Raiders in BGN. Preventing them from racing in Cup Lite would be depriving them of the ability to earn money, it might be an infringement of Right to Work Laws?

Thoughts? I don't know for sure.