[jks812]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Show me the rule. Show me that it is not grey area. "Don't mess with the car" is not specific. I'm beginning to think I'm the only one who doesn't want to take NASCAR's word as gospel - for anything!

1. I guess Nascar figures they don't have to show the fans the rule book. They don't care if we believe them about it or not.
2. To me don't mess with the car is specific. To me it means don't mess with it. Thats like me telling my child not to mess with a plug in socket. I mean the whole socket, no it's not okay to mess with the top one but not the bottom one.
3.If anybody takes Nascar's word for gospel, then they haven't been watching it for very long.

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by jks812

1. I guess Nascar figures they don't have to show the fans the rule book. They don't care if we believe them about it or not.
2. To me don't mess with the car is specific. To me it means don't mess with it. Thats like me telling my child not to mess with a plug in socket. I mean the whole socket, no it's not okay to mess with the top one but not the bottom one.
3.If anybody takes Nascar's word for gospel, then they haven't been watching it for very long.

Amen for #3 on your list. LOL

[jks812]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

I still go back to the fact that the cars fit the template. What does it say in the rulebook about that? The cars were absolutely altered on purpose.

Jr's car still fit the template too with the illegal bolts on it. His was also done on purpose. I thought he should be penalized and I think Hendrick's teams should be also. Has nothing to do with who it is. Cheating is cheating, I don't care who it is. I do say the only difference should be that Knaus should be suspended indeffinitely. Thats because he has gotten caught so many times. He's proven to them that a fine and race suspension is not going to stop him.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

I'll lay money that the punishment will exceed the crime, perhaps even in the eyes of the anti-HMS crowd.

The punishment should have been load up and go home! This is the only series I am aware of where you can show up at the track with a car that is intentionally illegal, or testing the 'gray area', yet you can still run the race. The worst travesty of it was when the 48 absolutely was caught cheating at Daytona, yet was still allowed to run, and ultimately win the race! That is a total joke and major blackeye to the sport.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

The punishment should have been load up and go home! This is the only series I am aware of where you can show up at the track with a car that is intentionally illegal, or testing the 'gray area', yet you can still run the race. The worst travesty of it was when the 48 absolutely was caught cheating at Daytona, yet was still allowed to run, and ultimately win the race! That is a total joke and major blackeye to the sport.

Well put. However, NASCAR has to be careful. Back up their statement without unreasonably penalizing Jeffey and Johnson to prove they are not playing favorites.

Too bad that this has taken center stage to the sport.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Well put. However, NASCAR has to be careful. Back up their statement without unreasonably penalizing Jeffey and Johnson to prove they are not playing favorites.

Too bad that this has taken center stage to the sport.

I have to agree with you on that statement. Gordon and Johnson fans would be upset with that.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by King43STP

I have to agree with you on that statement. Gordon and Johnson fans would be upset with that.

Even I would be upset with that.

[King43STP]

Crew chiefs Letarte, Knaus suspended for six races

By Official Release
June 26, 2007
03:55 PM EDT


var clickExpire = "-1"; DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR has issued penalties and fines to the No. 24 and No. 48 Hendrick Motorsports teams that compete in the Nextel Cup Series, as a result of rule infractions found this past weekend at Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, Calif.
Both cars -- the No. 24 driven by Jeff Gordon and the No. 48 driven by Jimmie Johnson -- were found to be in violation of Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); 20-2.1E (parts or components of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that have been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance will not be permitted); and 20-2H (fenders may not be cut or altered except for wheel or tire clearance which must be approved by the Series Director) of the 2007 NASCAR rule book. The violations were found during the initial inspection process last Friday.
As a result, Gordon and Johnson have each been penalized 100 driver championship points. Their respective crew chiefs -- Steve Letarte and Chad Knaus -- have each been fined $100,000, suspended for the next six Nextel Cup Series events until Aug. 15 and placed on probation until Dec. 31, 2007.
In addition, Rick Hendrick, owner of the No. 24, has been penalized 100 car owner championship points as has Gordon, who is the owner of the No. 48.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

The punishment should have been load up and go home! This is the only series I am aware of where you can show up at the track with a car that is intentionally illegal, or testing the 'gray area', yet you can still run the race. The worst travesty of it was when the 48 absolutely was caught cheating at Daytona, yet was still allowed to run, and ultimately win the race! That is a total joke and major blackeye to the sport.

Why did you have to bring that up Nevada..... I just went from calm to a$$hole in 2.1 secs

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by King43STP

I have to agree with you on that statement. Gordon and Johnson fans would be upset with that.

Speakin of the HMS crowd.... not to many have showed their faces since this has been goin on huh.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Why did you have to bring that up Nevada..... I just went from calm to a$$hole in 2.1 secs

What took you so long ?????

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

What took you so long ?????

caffeine guage is on E....

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Speakin of the HMS crowd.... not to many have showed their faces since this has been goin on huh.

I noticed that as well. I'm sure they're coming ...

I don't think they should be too upset. But, we'll see ...

[jks812]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Show me the rule. Show me that it is not grey area.

Both cars -- the No. 24 driven by Jeff Gordon and the No. 48 driven by Jimmie Johnson -- were found to be in violation of Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-Q (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); 20-2.1E (parts or components of the car not previously approved by NASCAR that have been installed or modified to enhance aerodynamic performance will not be permitted); and 20-2H (fenders may not be cut or altered except for wheel or tire clearance which must be approved by the Series Director) of the 2007 NASCAR rule book. The violations were found during the initial inspection process last Friday.


There ya go, there's the rules.

[Mike24]

Yep, NASCAR is biased. They didn't fine them 65 million bucks and suspend them for 60 races, so NASCAR is biased.

Anyways, it looks like NASCAR is being consistent with their penalties, which is something I haven't seen from NASCAR.