[jks812]

I don't think they should suspend the drivers(gosh that was hard to type). After all, they didn't suspend Jr. But I would like to see them send Chad home for a long time. Obviously fining them and suspending him for a few races hasn't done any good. Maybe if he goes home indefinitely, it'll do some good.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Golly gee whiz, Batman! Once more Knause proves himself to be one of NASCAR most prolific and frequently caught cheaters.

Two years ago, I believe it was funny shock absorbers. He was fined and put on probation.
Last year I forget what it was but he was fined, told to sit out six races (really BIG penalty there, right?) put on super secret probation and released to go and sin no more.
Now he's kicked Brian's and John Darby's sacred cow; he screwed with the infamous COT!!

Unfortunately this time Latarte got caught up in the scandal too.

What is a sanctioning body to do? Let's see, already this season we've seen $100K fines, 100 driver and owner points removed and periods of time watching the race on TV. Methinks it's time for NA$CAR to up the ante a bit.

I've never bought into the fairly common idea among fellow Hendrick dislikers and the run of the mill ABH (Anybody but Hendrick) clan. But I honestly believe that NA$CAR should (a)give the #24 #200K fine, 150 owner and driver points and suspend Latarte for ten races, and...
(b) the same penalties for the #48, except in view of Knauses' record, the same penalty they gave Mikey's crew chief and director of competition at Daytona, ban him from any connection with NASCAR and Hendrick Motor Sports until further notice.

I believe anything less than this would give the ABH folks a good argument for NASCAR having one set of rules for Hendrick and another set for the rest of the teams.

Steve Latarte and the 24 team should get just the regular penalty, because he's never been caught cheating. I agree with you on Chad 'cheater' Knaus thou. But you know as well as I that it will not happen in the near future.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I see some in the Hendrick organization still go by the "old rules":

1. If you are winning without cheating, then start - ya gotta keep ahead of the pack!
2. If you aren't winning, you aren't cheating enough.

Chad should sit out the rest of the season (a multi-time offender) and forfit the remainder of his salary for the year into Brian's piggy bank. this guy is either awfully good or completely stupid - I'm voting for the latter...

Latarte should get a large dent in his wallet and plenty of TV watching time. Also some counseling about role models.

Hendrick should be fined enough points to place the #24 around 25th (way out of the chase), Gordon (owner) enough to put the #48 around 40th, out of the chase and the chosen..

Way off base Duck. Gordons 24 team should get the regular penalty. As for Johnsons 48 team the higher the penalty the better for Chad.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

Funny but true...hahaha.

So Speed said that Nascar is going to hold a meeting with the teams tomorrow to figure out of the two team would participate in the rest of the weekend activities. Wouldn't it be nice if Nascar sat them out this week? Unfortunantely they both can sit the week out and not take a points hit. Nascar wont do that to two of their most popular drivers, but it would be nice.

They will get a slap on the wrist and then sent out to practice and race Sunday. We'll have to wait for Monday/Tuesday to see the penalties, if any.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I understand you were. But I was mentioning the drivers, as some say the drivers should be suspended in which I totally disagree.

While I wouldn't mind having both Jeff and Jimmie sitting out some races, this cheating is by the crew chiefs and the teams. And Chad's penalty should be more than the one he served after he was caught just before the Daytona 500 last year. I think it was for 6 races.

[SpaceCadet]

Suspending the driver's is overkill. The penalty should be the same as Jr.'s. Once NASCAR is done assessing penalties, and yes, Knaus's should be tougher, it's time for Hendrick - and Gordon - to step up to the plate. Bear in mind, I'm a quasi-suedo HMS fan, as much as I'm a fan of any one team, I guess. I don't live and die by their every move. Bracing myself for the inevitable backlash - it's time for Chad Knaus to go home permanently. He's had enough chances. There should be a pink slip in his next (and final) paycheck. And when the whole thing with Gordon's car being "too low" last year came about, he said if he thought Letarte was cheating, he would fire him on the spot. Well...what's it going to be? Letarte's cheating. Is Gordon going to stand by what he said? Who are we kidding??? As much as I like Gordon, he's going to backslide here. Frankly, the whole thing makes me want to kick every one of them is the collective a$$ because, golly gee, how ####### stupid can you get!!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I think NASCAR will give out the same penalties as they have been, 100 points, 100,000 bucks, and a 6 race suspension for the crew chief. As far as suspending the drivers, if they don't suspend Kurt Busch for what he did, NASCAR has no right to suspended both Gordon or Johnson, end of story.

Mike, they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

$!00K, 100pts and 6 month probation apparently doesn't get the message across.
As for your Kurt Busch defense, that's the oldest trick in the book. When you get caught, the first inclination is to try and draw attention to someone else to try and justify a lack of needed punishment.
As far as suspending the drivers... I think one Hell of a fine, and a really big points deduction (both bigger than what has been tried in the past) would be in order. But Knause needs to be taught a lesson, if nothing else but to be better at cheating! I think the same thing Mikey's crew chief and competition director got would be appropriate.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Mike, they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

$!00K, 100pts and 6 month probation apparently doesn't get the message across.
As for your Kurt Busch defense, that's the oldest trick in the book. When you get caught, the first inclination is to try and draw attention to someone else to try and justify a lack of needed punishment.
As far as suspending the drivers... I think one Hell of a fine, and a really big points deduction (both bigger than what has been tried in the past) would be in order. But Knause needs to be taught a lesson, if nothing else but to be better at cheating! I think the same thing Mikey's crew chief and competition director got would be appropriate.

Bob, I'm just saying if Busch doesn't get suspended for harming a crew member, why should Gordon and Johnson get suspended? That will show NASCAR puts cheating in front of safety, which is disgraceful.

[King43STP]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

Suspending the driver's is overkill. The penalty should be the same as Jr.'s. Once NASCAR is done assessing penalties, and yes, Knaus's should be tougher, it's time for Hendrick - and Gordon - to step up to the plate. Bear in mind, I'm a quasi-suedo HMS fan, as much as I'm a fan of any one team, I guess. I don't live and die by their every move. Bracing myself for the inevitable backlash - it's time for Chad Knaus to go home permanently. He's had enough chances. There should be a pink slip in his next (and final) paycheck. And when the whole thing with Gordon's car being "too low" last year came about, he said if he thought Letarte was cheating, he would fire him on the spot. Well...what's it going to be? Letarte's cheating. Is Gordon going to stand by what he said? Who are we kidding??? As much as I like Gordon, he's going to backslide here. Frankly, the whole thing makes me want to kick every one of them is the collective a$$ because, golly gee, how ####### stupid can you get!!!

Of course he's going to backslide, after all his guy wouldn't cheat, only the other guys, back in the shop.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Bob, I'm just saying if Busch doesn't get suspended for harming a crew member, why should Gordon and Johnson get suspended? That will show NASCAR puts cheating in front of safety, which is disgraceful.

Mike who is saying Johnson and Gordon should be suspended? Everything on here that I've read said the crew chiefs should be.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Bob, I'm just saying if Busch doesn't get suspended for harming a crew member, why should Gordon and Johnson get suspended? That will show NASCAR puts cheating in front of safety, which is disgraceful.

I don't want to put words in Bob's mouth, he's fully capable of doing that himself.

BUT, I don't think he was talking about their actions, it was to make a point that the whole team needs to suffer, not just the crew chief and the owner. These types of infractions are not done without the driver's knowledge....

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

I don't want to put words in Bob's mouth, he's fully capable of doing that himself.

BUT, I don't think he was talking about their actions, it was to make a point that the whole team needs to suffer, not just the crew chief and the owner. These types of infractions are not done without the driver's knowledge....

I believe all involved should suffer, but I don't believe driver suspension is necessary here. I think Knause, and ONLY Knause should be sent to the showers and kept away from Hendrick Motor Sports and NASCAR in general until some undisclosed time in the not-so-near future.

As far as the driver knowing, I honestly think that in NASCAR, in some cases, the driver is in a "don't ask-don't tell" position. In politics they call it "plausible deniability." However, in this case, from what was said in the media, which all may prove to be "toro ca-ca" tomorrow, the drivers had to know. They said that the front wheelwells around the Goodyear logo where flared so much that the infraction was visible to the naked eye.

I thought Jeffy-Pooh took the news with grace and flair. I believe he said something to the affect of, "My wife just had our baby. Nothing can bother me this week!"

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I thought Jeffy-Pooh took the news with grace and flair. I believe he said something to the affect of, "My wife just had our baby. Nothing can bother me this week!"

I'd bet that a major loss of points might at least get his attention. I suspect that NASCAR will justify no loss of points by saying that we put them at the back of the pack on a track where forward progress is slow to non-existent.

[King43STP]

Prediction for Sunday's race, Jeff Gordon, and Jimmie Johnson start in the back and with fuel mileage and pit calls end the race 1-2. Then when penalties are announced on Monday-Tuesday, Tryson and Fatback are given several weeks off. That would be par for the course for NASCAR. LOL

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'd bet that a major loss of points might at least get his attention. I suspect that NASCAR will justify no loss of points by saying that we put them at the back of the pack on a track where forward progress is slow to non-existent.

I forgot what happened at Daytona( and to lazy to search for it) this year. But thats what they did, said there was no points taken or a fine, cause they made Jeff start at the back.
They'll probably do that this time too.