[Jeffrey4318]

I bet a deal between Yota and JGR is all but done. That is probably why they didn't take a big run at JR knowing that he wouldn't drive for anything but Chevy. If you remeber Gibbs kept saying they'd give Jr time and then when he was ready they would talk to him. They kept saying this while Jr was talking to other teams. So I think they were just covering up why they didn't make a run at Jr. Going to Toyota would make them the top dog for an up and coming manufacture that lets face it isn't going away. Remember last time they were the top team for a manu they won two championship. I know Tony won his last with Chevy, but they would get alot more support from Toyota.

Also I don't see KB going to Gibbs. I think Gibbs was truthful about not wanting a fourth team until '09. Unless they replace JJ with KB, which I hope doesn't happen. I don't think KB would mesh well with Tony and Denny.

[wingkey1]

Little (just a little) off the marks here, but the 'ole memory (dangerous) seems to want to recall hearing that "Busch" as in Kyle/Kurt and the "Busch" as in Anheuser Busch have/are family ties. Seem to recall gaining this insight back when Kurt was Truckin' (CTS). Cannot, hard as I try, to recover the data source. Will continue to try. Help appreciated.

Taking the "assuming it's true" path - family trees do/can have impact on how one sees and responds to things.

Lemme see, Augie Busch is my _______ (fill in the blank with uncle, great uncle, grandfather) - do I really give a rats tail what you (aimed at no specific "you") or anyone else thinks, says, cares, about me, my actions, words, etc, etc. I can do pretty much whatever I choose. You just shut up and drinnk my beer. Might explain observed attitudes.

Then there's - if it is true how does one in the "family" see the Ejr. potential defection from BUD?

Talk about a reality show plot. As the worm turns.

This could hurt me head --

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by simple simon

we have spent a lot of time and space here talking about the future of Dale Jr ..... but what about the future of the driver he is replacing ?

it seems that it has become a fact Kyle Busch is leaving HMS after this season

where will he end up and how will he do next season ........ will he make the chase with his new team ?

Who cares! Enough said!

[MIKE28]

KYLE NEEDS TO BE THE FLAGSHIP DRIVER SOMEWHERE. HE WOULD LOOK GOOD AT RYR WITH RYR PUTTING HIM IN THE 28 CAR. HE IS A HARD CHARGER LIKE DAVEY WAS AND WOULD PUT RYR BACK ON THE MAP.

[Bob Tanner]

]A press release released in Kyle's name by HMS at Junior's press conference:

The following is a statement from Busch regarding the decision to leave: "We had been working on a contract extension for me to remain at Hendrick Motorsports, but after prolonged negotiations, we mutually agreed that a fresh start was in order. I have been granted a release after the 2007 season. I have tremendous respect for Mr. Hendrick and everyone at Hendrick Motorsports. It's where I grew up, and I have a lot of great memories. I kind of feel like I'm graduating. I'm excited about my future, and I know a lot of opportunities await because of what everyone at Hendrick did for me - on the track and off. I still have a job to do this year, and will give it my all - just as I've always done - to make sure we put the #5 car in victory lane a few more times before the year is out."(True Speed Communication PR)

This afternoon, on SIRIUS' Drivers Seat, with John Kernan and Ricky Craven, Kyle was personally interviewed and the following was offered (As reported by David Poole in the Gaston Gazette):

A gracious statement was issued in Busch’s name at the same time the press conference announcing Earnhardt’s hiring was taking place. Not so, said Busch. “Well, you know, this is all brand new,” said Busch. “I hadn’t talked or discussed or done anything with any other team. There had been a rumor that flew around that I was unhappy at Hendrick Motorsports, which was untrue. I was just frustrated with the way things were going, that I wasn’ able to get results. We had been running good and been fast everywhere, but we just had some bad luck and were crashing, and whatever. “That rumor started, and then after that rumor, it was that I was getting offers from other teams, which, I had never talked to anybody.” Busch said he hadn’t been given any indication that he wouldn’t be back at Hendrick until Monday.(Gaston Gazette)(6-14-2007)

The former is given under the direction of a convicted felon, a car salesman, and person a great leadership abilities but serious deficiencies in character and ethics. A lie here would put a "happy face" on an injustice.

The latter is a statement made by a 22 year old. A lie here would gain said 22 year old kid absolutely nothing.

Which do YOU believe?

[LSC9901]

Until Kyle changes his attitude he will always be considered a hothead. Tony was one, tried to change and has failed. Kurt was one. Got pushed out of Rousch, tried to change and failed. Nobody is as important as some of these guys feel they are. No one is that valuable. We are all replaceable.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by MIKE28

KYLE NEEDS TO BE THE FLAGSHIP DRIVER SOMEWHERE. HE WOULD LOOK GOOD AT RYR WITH RYR PUTTING HIM IN THE 28 CAR. HE IS A HARD CHARGER LIKE DAVEY WAS AND WOULD PUT RYR BACK ON THE MAP.

Welcome to goteamsgo Mike28. Make sure you stop by our weekly predictions thread. As for Busch the smaller in the 28... I'm a big RYR fan, and can't agree with the statement. He isn't a good fit for RYR. Maybe Childress where Richard can step on him and keep him in line. RYR will need someone though... as to who it will be... that will take time... hopefully not to long.

[MIKE28]

Thanks For The Welcome. I Am New At This, But Will Learn On The Way. As For Kyle Joining Ryr, Ryr Needs A Big Boost Right Now And Someone Firery To Drive. David Is Ok, But I Think He Needs To Be In The Busch Series To Get More Seat Time With Less Presure And Then Brought Back To Cup In A Few Years. Ricky Is An Ok Quick Fix, But Needs To Be Replaced After The Season.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Until Kyle changes his attitude he will always be considered a hothead. Tony was one, tried to change and has failed. Kurt was one. Got pushed out of Rousch, tried to change and failed. Nobody is as important as some of these guys feel they are. No one is that valuable. We are all replaceable.

Probably not many here remember but Kyle is an almost carbon copy of Jeff Gordon when he left open wheel and came to NASCAR.

I know that this like kicking a sacred cow but Jeff was extremely fast but not so accurate. He did, in fact, tear up a whole of of equipment, both what he was driver and that of others.

He, like Kyle, was in the 21-22 year old age group and let's face it, 21-22 year old kids aren't known for their decision making abilities and their calm demeanor. In his first year in Cup he didn't garner a whole lot of fans, except some females who saw a kid that apparently was in sore need of mothering. Until he started winning, the bulk of his fans were either pimple-faced kids who saw another kid that they could relate to, the above mentioned mothers, and the fans who followed him from open wheel.

All this being said, I think Ray Everham might make a good home for Kyle. He babysat Jeff long enough for him to develop into on of NASCAR's greatest (but not the greatest) drivers. Maybe he could do the same for Kyle?

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

]A press release released in Kyle's name by HMS at Junior's press conference:

The following is a statement from Busch regarding the decision to leave: "We had been working on a contract extension for me to remain at Hendrick Motorsports, but after prolonged negotiations, we mutually agreed that a fresh start was in order. I have been granted a release after the 2007 season. I have tremendous respect for Mr. Hendrick and everyone at Hendrick Motorsports. It's where I grew up, and I have a lot of great memories. I kind of feel like I'm graduating. I'm excited about my future, and I know a lot of opportunities await because of what everyone at Hendrick did for me - on the track and off. I still have a job to do this year, and will give it my all - just as I've always done - to make sure we put the #5 car in victory lane a few more times before the year is out."(True Speed Communication PR)

This afternoon, on SIRIUS' Drivers Seat, with John Kernan and Ricky Craven, Kyle was personally interviewed and the following was offered (As reported by David Poole in the Gaston Gazette):

A gracious statement was issued in Busch’s name at the same time the press conference announcing Earnhardt’s hiring was taking place. Not so, said Busch. “Well, you know, this is all brand new,” said Busch. “I hadn’t talked or discussed or done anything with any other team. There had been a rumor that flew around that I was unhappy at Hendrick Motorsports, which was untrue. I was just frustrated with the way things were going, that I wasn’ able to get results. We had been running good and been fast everywhere, but we just had some bad luck and were crashing, and whatever. “That rumor started, and then after that rumor, it was that I was getting offers from other teams, which, I had never talked to anybody.” Busch said he hadn’t been given any indication that he wouldn’t be back at Hendrick until Monday.(Gaston Gazette)(6-14-2007)

The former is given under the direction of a convicted felon, a car salesman, and person a great leadership abilities but serious deficiencies in character and ethics. A lie here would put a "happy face" on an injustice.

The latter is a statement made by a 22 year old. A lie here would gain said 22 year old kid absolutely nothing.

Which do YOU believe?

Considering the statement made by the 22 yr. old is about said 22 yr. old, I think I would believe the 22 yr. old.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by jks812

Considering the statement made by the 22 yr. old is about said 22 yr. old, I think I would believe the 22 yr. old.

I agree.

Championships can get you notoriety.
wealth can get you just about anything else you want, EXCEPT CHARACTER!

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

A lie here would gain said 22 year old kid absolutely nothing.

Really? How about saving face because he screwed up? I think he would lie in a heart beat if if meant making it look like "oh, poor me, look how I got screwed." Schrub is a spoiled little brat who thinks nothing of spitting in the faces of the people who have helped him get where he is, be that a sponser or "the felon", as you like to call RH. I think the truth lies somewhere in between those two statements. But Kyle Busch innocent? Not in a million years.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

]A press release released in Kyle's name by HMS at Junior's press conference:

The following is a statement from Busch regarding the decision to leave: "We had been working on a contract extension for me to remain at Hendrick Motorsports, but after prolonged negotiations, we mutually agreed that a fresh start was in order. I have been granted a release after the 2007 season. I have tremendous respect for Mr. Hendrick and everyone at Hendrick Motorsports. It's where I grew up, and I have a lot of great memories. I kind of feel like I'm graduating. I'm excited about my future, and I know a lot of opportunities await because of what everyone at Hendrick did for me - on the track and off. I still have a job to do this year, and will give it my all - just as I've always done - to make sure we put the #5 car in victory lane a few more times before the year is out."(True Speed Communication PR)

This afternoon, on SIRIUS' Drivers Seat, with John Kernan and Ricky Craven, Kyle was personally interviewed and the following was offered (As reported by David Poole in the Gaston Gazette):

A gracious statement was issued in Busch’s name at the same time the press conference announcing Earnhardt’s hiring was taking place. Not so, said Busch. “Well, you know, this is all brand new,” said Busch. “I hadn’t talked or discussed or done anything with any other team. There had been a rumor that flew around that I was unhappy at Hendrick Motorsports, which was untrue. I was just frustrated with the way things were going, that I wasn’ able to get results. We had been running good and been fast everywhere, but we just had some bad luck and were crashing, and whatever. “That rumor started, and then after that rumor, it was that I was getting offers from other teams, which, I had never talked to anybody.” Busch said he hadn’t been given any indication that he wouldn’t be back at Hendrick until Monday.(Gaston Gazette)(6-14-2007)

The former is given under the direction of a convicted felon, a car salesman, and person a great leadership abilities but serious deficiencies in character and ethics. A lie here would put a "happy face" on an injustice.

The latter is a statement made by a 22 year old. A lie here would gain said 22 year old kid absolutely nothing.

Which do YOU believe?

The two "quotes" are too disconnected to draw a conclusion. The second is someones "here's what I heard and therefore deduce" while conveniently overlooking there apparently was no direct question to Kyle asking whether or not the statement issued on his behalf was (or was not) attributable in any way to him.

Quick insert here - neither party is being defended here.

A gracious statement was issued in Busch’s name at the same time the press conference announcing Earnhardt’s hiring was taking place. Not so, said Busch - What the??!? Not so said Busch - what does this say/mean? Seems the reporter person is indicating Kyle said there was no gracious statement issued. And note the quotations in the article do not start until after the reporter sets his/her stage.

a rumor that flew around that I was unhappy at Hendrick Motorsports, which was untrue. I was just frustrated with the way things were going - Ummm, swap "unhappy" with "frustrated" (then back again if one wishes) and see how "same" it feels.

Me thinks we might just have here a bit of - let's make some news. Monty Dutton has a take on this in this weeks local racing rag. Don't have exact words to quote at this moment, but it essentially warns race fans that the present 24 X 7 X 365 news world requires/demands "up to the minute" reporting. He goes on to say that there are periods when nothing of real consequence is happening so some "reporters" will move to present opinions and observations. Kinda making news rather than reporting it.

Changing the question from "which" to "who" is most/more believeable, me answer is - not David Poole. He failed to directly connect the two for the purpose of verification/decision.

[oncea3fan]

wouldn't it be great if kyle made the chase then hit a hot streek and won the championship

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

The two "quotes" are too disconnected to draw a conclusion. The second is someones "here's what I heard and therefore deduce" while conveniently overlooking there apparently was no direct question to Kyle asking whether or not the statement issued on his behalf was (or was not) attributable in any way to him.

.

Well written, Wing. I like it.

That being said, I don't see your "disconnected" train of thought, but then I'm prone to missing things.

I, personally, heard both statements made live. I was listening to the Junior News Conference at 1000 cst on Wednesday when the Hendrick statement was read, verbatim, over the air. It very plainly pointed out that negotiations with Kyle had broken down because he advised them he had other, more lucrative offers on the table.

Yesterday I personally heard Kyle interviewed on SIRIUS' Driver's Seat show, with John Kernan and Ricky Craven and he said, exactly what Poole reported, which plainly pointed out that there was no contact by other team representatives and no offers on the table. Poole obviously took his quote directly from the recorded sound track of the show.

I would appear to me that one of the parties involved is outright lying. My bet is that it's someone in the Hendrick's camp, directed by Rick Hendrick.

Another telling statement on Hendrick was one he personally gave during a post press conference Q&A, which I also personally heard. One reporter (I don't recall the name) asked him if he was concerned by the effect that a "dynasty," caused by the teaming of Gordon, Johnson and Earnhardt would have on Cup competition. Hendrick's response was something to the affect of (I paraphrase here): "My main concern is in winning championships. It's NASCAR's problem to control everything else."

Basically, I agree. However this is coming from the guy who circumvented a hard and fast NASCAR rule of over 26 years in standing when, in 1984, he added a third team to his stable under the guise of it "Actually being his father's team."

I admit to having a personal bias against Rick Hendrick. I just plain do not like the guy and almost everything, business-wise he stands for. I don't "hate" him ( a word bandied about way too freely in today's society), I just have no respect for him, on a ethical and character level.

His above thought on winning being his concern, everything else being NASCAR's reminds me of a family I knew some time back. The son was partnered in the family business but his main interest was living a high life style. He was known for making business deals beneficial to him but very costly decisions for the family company as a whole. He lived high on the hog for years while the family company went down hill and finally went belly-up. He put his own selfish interests above that of the company that was feeding him.

I see that as a methaphore for Hendrick and NASCAR. But then, I admit bias.