[kcoruol]

Unfortunately my cable provider missed close to a hundred laps of that race in Dover so I didn't see the pit incident. I just saw a brief replay of Tony Stewart hitting Busch from behind several times causing the wreck and endangering lives and ability of fellow drivers to compete. Tony Stewart, from what I've seen in other races has an attitude problem and is at times a danger on the track.

IMHO

[jks812]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

I just saw a brief replay of Tony Stewart hitting Busch from behind several times causing the wreck and endangering lives and ability of fellow drivers to compete. Tony Stewart, from what I've seen in other races has an attitude problem and is at times a danger on the track.

IMHO

I don't always agree with Tony's driving methods, but this wasn't his fault. I think this has to be put on Kurt. Kurt even said he had his car 90% cleared of Tony when he pulled up. Well if he was only clear by 90%, what did he think was gonna happen to the other 10%? Oh wait, I know, even if Kurt doesn't.......Tony's gonna hit it. Don't get me wrong, I happen to like Kurt, but he was wrong and I think Nascar's so called penalty was wrong to.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

I don't always agree with Tony's driving methods, but this wasn't his fault. I think this has to be put on Kurt. Kurt even said he had his car 90% cleared of Tony when he pulled up. Well if he was only clear by 90%, what did he think was gonna happen to the other 10%? Oh wait, I know, even if Kurt doesn't.......Tony's gonna hit it. Don't get me wrong, I happen to like Kurt, but he was wrong and I think Nascar's so called penalty was wrong to.

Wrong as in not severe enough or to severe ??

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Wrong as in not severe enough or to severe ??

Not severe enough. I realize they parked him the rest of that race. But with what he did on pit road they should have parked him this past weekend. Basically what Nascar said is, you get the same penalty for almost running over someone on pit road as you do for using the wrong bolts. I think anytime they purposely hit or spin another car on pit road, they should be parked for the next race. Those guys on pit road don't have all the safety equipment the drivers have.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

Not severe enough. I realize they parked him the rest of that race. But with what he did on pit road they should have parked him this past weekend. Basically what Nascar said is, you get the same penalty for almost running over someone on pit road as you do for using the wrong bolts. I think anytime they purposely hit or spin another car on pit road, they should be parked for the next race. Those guys on pit road don't have all the safety equipment the drivers have.

there are several shots of the incident on tape. it's obvious Kurt was not trying to hit the crewman, or even get close. this is a case where a crewman could have been in trouble, but the "offending" driver made sure he didn't clip him. the crewman was in less peril than if he had been the rear tire carrier during regular pit stops.

that said, I don't want anybody to think I approve of what Kurt did. AND I don't approve of what Tony did .. everyone seems to be forgetting Tony drove thru Kurt after the incident started .. he didn't let off the gas as he should have. maybe Tony didn't start the fire, but he sure threw gas on it!!!

in my opinion they should both be benched for a race - it's long overdue on both their parts. but then, feuds sell tickets and NA$CAR is all about selling tickets...

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

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that said, I don't want anybody to think I approve of what Kurt did. AND I don't approve of what Tony did .. everyone seems to be forgetting Tony drove thru Kurt after the incident started .. he didn't let off the gas as he should have. maybe Tony didn't start the fire, but he sure threw gas on it!!!

I guess I'd like to view the incident again. My impression was that Tony got hit in the rear and was pushed forward into Kurt. I'm no fan of Tony or Kurt so I'm not trying to make and excuse for Tony. I believe someone mentioned that Biffle was behind Tony. Does anyone know if there is any video available of the accident online ?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I guess I'd like to view the incident again. My impression was that Tony got hit in the rear and was pushed forward into Kurt. I'm no fan of Tony or Kurt so I'm not trying to make and excuse for Tony. I believe someone mentioned that Biffle was behind Tony. Does anyone know if there is any video available of the accident online ?

on NASCAR.COM/Video you can select a race and driver. I can't seem to pull up the videos, but there's one about Kurt being parked and "Race Rewind" - dunno if either have the footage you're looking for. Might be something on YouTube - haven't checked. the footage I saw was on Pocono's pre-race.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

there are several shots of the incident on tape. it's obvious Kurt was not trying to hit the crewman, or even get close. this is a case where a crewman could have been in trouble, but the "offending" driver made sure he didn't clip him. the crewman was in less peril than if he had been the rear tire carrier during regular pit stops.

that said, I don't want anybody to think I approve of what Kurt did. AND I don't approve of what Tony did .. everyone seems to be forgetting Tony drove thru Kurt after the incident started .. he didn't let off the gas as he should have. maybe Tony didn't start the fire, but he sure threw gas on it!!!

in my opinion they should both be benched for a race - it's long overdue on both their parts. but then, feuds sell tickets and NA$CAR is all about selling tickets...

I'm not saying that he got real close to hitting him. But I'm also not saying one should be hit before the offending driver should be parked. The rear tire changer during pit stops knows there are cars all over the place. This guy didn't expect a car to pull up there. To me, thats a big difference.

As far as Tony driving through Kurt after getting into him. Thats not the first time one has done that. More often than not, that happens. I have seen lots of them stay in the gas and basically push them out of their way.

And as far as Tony being parked for what happened. I don't inderstand why he should. Was it his fault Kurt pulled up in front of him without being clear?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

I'm not saying that he got real close to hitting him. But I'm also not saying one should be hit before the offending driver should be parked. The rear tire changer during pit stops knows there are cars all over the place. This guy didn't expect a car to pull up there. To me, thats a big difference.

As far as Tony driving through Kurt after getting into him. Thats not the first time one has done that. More often than not, that happens. I have seen lots of them stay in the gas and basically push them out of their way.

And as far as Tony being parked for what happened. I don't inderstand why he should. Was it his fault Kurt pulled up in front of him without being clear?

you miss read what I said. I didn't say Tony should be parked for what he did THAT time. But whenever a driver is in the middle of so many incidents, it can't be circumstance. Point is, Tony is as much at fault for escallating things as Kurt is for causing them. Tony knew Kurt was wrong, so he punished him - not the first time Tony's done that. But that's not Tony's hat to wear. If he wants to hand out punishment, he should become a NA$CAR official or limit those activities to Eldora where he is the boss..

[lilsexy08]

He should have been suspended for the rest of the year! Tonys team should have hid around somewhere off the track of course and kicked his butt!

[kcoruol]

Looks as though Tony did the ole bait and trap.

Kurt was dumb enough to fall for it, or just PO'd enough not to put up with it.

As far the pit crew guy almost getting hit, please, the guy stood there until Kurt's car pulled up and only jumped out of the way at the last second.

Tony is just as much at fault as Kurt. Both should have been fined and suspended.

If Tony started putting more effort into winning and less into pissing off other drivers, he might actually win some.

I saw the video clip on youtube.com if anyone else missed or you can google it; "kurt busch incident".

[jks812]

Originally Posted by kcoruol

As far the pit crew guy almost getting hit, please, the guy stood there until Kurt's car pulled up and only jumped out of the way at the last second.

Tony is just as much at fault as Kurt. Both should have been fined and suspended.

I know Kurt didn't almost hit him. I know he jumped out of the way before Kurt got against the car. My point is, he shouldn't have to jump out of the way. No crew member should have to. They are not as protected as the drivers are.

I don't care for Tony either. But I still can't see how he was at fault for it.

[LSC9901]

The footage I'm interested in seeing is what happened on the track not the pits. I'd like to know if Tony was hit from behind and pushed into Busch. Another point that has been brought up is that Tony doesn't need to slow down to allow Kurt to get by him. If Tony were to slow down then he would undoubtedly get rear ended. Kurt was wrong from the get go on this one.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

The footage I'm interested in seeing is what happened on the track not the pits. I'd like to know if Tony was hit from behind and pushed into Busch. Another point that has been brought up is that Tony doesn't need to slow down to allow Kurt to get by him. If Tony were to slow down then he would undoubtedly get rear ended. Kurt was wrong from the get go on this one.

Go to youtube.com and in the search put kurt busch/tony stewart. It even shows it from Biffle's car. Biffle didn't touch Tony.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by jks812

Go to youtube.com and in the search put kurt busch/tony stewart. It even shows it from Biffle's car. Biffle didn't touch Tony.

Guess I'll take your word for it. I can't get it to load.