[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by SteelPhoenyx

Ugh, Bowyer really needs a top 5, or better yet, a win (!!!) to move back up in the top 12. I hate seeing him at 11.

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Same for Junior and Kyle...I hate the new format and the old chase format.....Can we have Brian France Impeached!

[tkj24]

Originally Posted by Pepsi One

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Same for Junior and Kyle...I hate the new format and the old chase format.....Can we have Brian France Impeached!

I second that pepsi.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

ready for another round of complaining?

here's the Chase seedings as of New Hampshire:

1. J. Gordon 5040
2. J. Johnson 5040
3. D. Hamlin 5010
4. M. Kenseth 5010
5. J. Burton 5010
6. C. Edwards 5010
7. K. Harvick 5010
8. Kyle Busch 5010
9. M. Truex, Jr. 5010
10. T. Stewart 5000
11. C. Boyer 5000
12. D. Earnhardt, Jr. 5000

Tony's feeling the heat! a win would move him into 6th!!!

Boyer & Jr. are a point apart and either could be overtaken by Newman who's 127 points behind them or Jamie at 184 behind them. And Kurt Busch is trying to mount a charge at 236 back.

Now that the Brickyard is history for 2007, I thought I'd update our list. you'll probably notice the movement of Stewart from 10th to 3rd with the order of the remainder of the list unchanged.

1. J. Gordon 5040
2. J. Johnson 5040
3. T. Stewart 5020
4. D. Hamlin 5010
5. M. Kenseth 5010
6. J. Burton 5010
7. C. Edwards 5010
8. K. Harvick 5010
9. Ky. Busch 5010
10. M. Truex, Jr. 5010
11. C. Boyer 5000
12. D. Earnhardt, Jr. 5000

it's interesting to note that Boyer has distanced himself from Earnhardt, Jr. by almost 190 points. Dale, Jr. is now just 13 points ahead of Kurt Busch (Kurt has picked up 213 points since New Hampshire!) meanwhile Truex, Jr., Jamie and Ryan have barely moved.

isn't it amazing what a couple wins will do for a guy's attitude?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

isn't it amazing what a couple wins will do for a guy's attitude?

Shouldn't it make it more positive ????

[wingkey1]

The "new math" standings with regards to seeding for the chase amplifies (for/to me) just how bad this approach is.

Now this is no sticking up for any particular driver, but if a driver has been able to distance him/herself during the first 20 races to the point where he/she could sit out two and possibly more races and still lead, then suddenly upon entering the last 10 races all are, for all intent and purposes "tied" - what flippin' crap!

[tkj24]

I agree. If not for the chase Gordon would already have 5 championships.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

The "new math" standings with regards to seeding for the chase amplifies (for/to me) just how bad this approach is.

Now this is no sticking up for any particular driver, but if a driver has been able to distance him/herself during the first 20 races to the point where he/she could sit out two and possibly more races and still lead, then suddenly upon entering the last 10 races all are, for all intent and purposes "tied" - what flippin' crap!

but .. but .. but...

This is the brainchild of Sir Brian, Prince of South Florida and Heir Apparent to the NA$CAR throne. With the blessing of Court Jester Helton, this is now the law of the land. We mere mortals surely do not possess the intelligence and insight to criticize such a plan and such blasphemy will undoubtedly bring the NA$CAR Inspectors Division down on our collective heads. (A word to the wise...)

[oncea3fan]

they should award 1 pt. for each week a driver leads the points, as part of the seeding

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

they should award 1 pt. for each week a driver leads the points, as part of the seeding

no no no .. the whole point is to reward wins .. runners up aren't winners even if they do it every week. this is for winners!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

Now that the Brickyard is history for 2007, I thought I'd update our list. you'll probably notice the movement of Stewart from 10th to 3rd with the order of the remainder of the list unchanged.

1. J. Gordon 5040
2. J. Johnson 5040
3. T. Stewart 5020
4. D. Hamlin 5010
5. M. Kenseth 5010
6. J. Burton 5010
7. C. Edwards 5010
8. K. Harvick 5010
9. Ky. Busch 5010
10. M. Truex, Jr. 5010
11. C. Boyer 5000
12. D. Earnhardt, Jr. 5000

it's interesting to note that Boyer has distanced himself from Earnhardt, Jr. by almost 190 points. Dale, Jr. is now just 13 points ahead of Kurt Busch (Kurt has picked up 213 points since New Hampshire!) meanwhile Truex, Jr., Jamie and Ryan have barely moved.

isn't it amazing what a couple wins will do for a guy's attitude?

Now that The Glen is history, and with only 5 races to go, an update to the current seedings for the Chase seems appropriate. Plus there's lots of new folks in the NASCAR Forum and some may not know how the seeding works. Here's a link to NASCAR.COM that explains it.

1. J. Gordon 5040
2. J. Johnson 5040
3. T. Stewart 5030
4. D. Hamlin 5010
5. M. Kenseth 5010
6. C. Edwards 5010
7. J. Burton 5010
8. Ky. Busch 5010
9. K. Harvick 5010
10. M. Truex, Jr. 5010
11. Ku. Busch 5010
12. C. Boyer 5000

Although the order has shuffled a little within the 1 win group, the only gains have Tony Stewart decreasing his deficit with his win at The Glen while Kurt Busch has moved into the 1 win group with his win at Pocono forcing winless Dale Earnhardt, Jr., who has suffered a 2 week fall, out of the Chase to land 100 points back of Kurt. Ryan Newman has also taken advantage of Jr.'s slide and is now 4 points ahead of Jr. at 96 back. With his most recent 2 consecutive poor showings, Jamie McMurray has slid more than 300 points behind Kurt and out of contention. Biffle & Mears are showing some strength, but it may be too little too late as they are over 200 back with 5 to go.

[simple simon]

very good stuff there RD ....... though it is just showing me NASCAR is stupid as hell

i dislike JG as much as anyone here, but even i admit he should basically have the Championship locked up right now ....... if someone in the 5010 group or below wins it - it's just a total joke

[OrionBen]

Originally Posted by simple simon

i dislike JG as much as anyone here, but even i admit he should basically have the Championship locked up right now ....... if someone in the 5010 group or below wins it - it's just a total joke

They went from last year format to Let's do it for Kasey Kahne format

I would have kept it like last year and added the 10 bonus point, It would be much more realist of what happens in the season. JG would have been first with TS Second. And JJ close behind. While Kurt Busch would still have a chance at the cup, but not just 30 points behind

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

but .. but .. but...

This is the brainchild of Sir Brian, Prince of South Florida and Heir Apparent to the NA$CAR throne. With the blessing of Court Jester Helton, this is now the law of the land. We mere mortals surely do not possess the intelligence and insight to criticize such a plan and such blasphemy will undoubtedly bring the NA$CAR Inspectors Division down on our collective heads. (A word to the wise...)

Didn't Mike Helton say something like "we aren't that smart" once ???

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Didn't Mike Helton say something like "we aren't that smart" once ???

any trip thru the volumes of history will reveal "royalty" in positions of power who were, less than adequate mentally and who, because of their power, were able to legislate rules and laws onto the un-royal, and all but the highest of the royal, which made sense to no one, but because of the "devine ordination" of said royalty must be followed under penalty of fines, whippings or death.

under threat of punishment known only to the King himself and his jester, the latter 2 not withstanding, please stand, remove your hats, raise your right arm and shout: ALL HAIL BRIAN, KING OF NASCAR!

thank you. you may return to your duties.

[Racer Duck]

With one race to the Chase, I see some questions and comments in various threads about the "seeding", especially now the "dream" scenario has reared its ugly head.

So, without further ado, here's the Chase seedings and associated points for each driver in the Chase at the moment. I've also added their current positions in points so you can see how wins are rewarded and consistency is penalized.

1. J. Johnson 5050 (6)
2. J. Gordon 5040 (1)
3. T. Stewart 5030 (2)
4. C. Edwards 5020 (4)
5. Ku. Busch 5020 (11)
6. D. Hamlin 5010 (3)
7. M. Kenseth 5010 (5)
8. J. Burton 5010 (7)
9. Ky. Busch 5010 (8)
10. M. Truex, Jr. 5010 (10)
11. K. Harvick 5010 (12)
12. C. Boyer 5000 (9)

One other thing. There's been a lot of "what if" questions mainly focused on 13th place driver over taking the 12th place driver during the Chase. When you look at the numbers, you will see that currently the 13th place driver is about 800 points behind the leader and the leader is just shy of 1300 points below 5000 points. that means the 13th place driver would have to gain over 2100 points during the 10 race Chase (not possible at 190 pts/race) and the 12th place driver not start any of the Chase races in order for that scenario to become reality.